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10-23-2012, 03:03 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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I have looked at an Ipad standing around outside and had come to the conclusion that it would not work very well in the panel of a canopy aircraft. I also had problems with the size of a standard IPad so I quit thinking about it. Now that it is smaller and panel compatible (at least in terms of the form factor) I am going to look at it again. So tell me RV canopy drivers with IPad on the panel, how does it hold up in high ambients?
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10-23-2012, 03:12 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: NJ
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Ipad won't work well in a canopy aircraft? Heck, I don't work well in a canopy aircraft. That's why they made the Koger shade.
Is the screen perfectly readable (shade or no shade)? No. Is it functional? Definately. My cousin has been using NOTHING but an ipad to traverse the continent for over 600 hours!
As far as the 10,000 limit and heating issues....I can't imagine it being very hot at any altitude above that.
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10-23-2012, 03:32 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Carlsbad, NM
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Originally Posted by tkatc
...As far as the 10,000 limit and heating issues....I can't imagine it being very hot at any altitude above that.
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I have certainly had my iPad shut down from overheating above 10,000 feet. I have no way of knowing if that is from direct Sun or from air cooling issues, but it can be pretty frustrating when it happens. I have gone to leaving it mostly on stand-by and closed in a cover until I need it.
Perhaps the mini, with its non-retina screen will do better.
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10-23-2012, 04:04 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cedar Park, TX
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We've had ours shutdown a few times because of heat, but we just nod and rock on as it is not a piece of mission critical equipment at all, just a nicety. Heck, we even still carry some paper charts in the airplane! I just can't see the day that I don't intend to be able to "get there" with nothing but a compass, timepiece, and a chart. You would be surprised, I did exactly that in a 172RG in the middle of west Texas (not much there) not too long ago.
My opinion is that if you're literally reading the specs on a piece of consumer electronics to evaluate its applicability to your flight needs, you should shift your attention in another direction.
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10-23-2012, 04:58 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,012
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Originally Posted by tkatc
Ipad won't work well in a canopy aircraft? Heck, I don't work well in a canopy aircraft. That's why they made the Koger shade.
Is the screen perfectly readable (shade or no shade)? No. Is it functional? Definately. My cousin has been using NOTHING but an ipad to traverse the continent for over 600 hours!
As far as the 10,000 limit and heating issues....I can't imagine it being very hot at any altitude above that.
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Kroger shade is not a good solution in the -8. Hence, the iPad is painful to use in (my) -8. Re. heat, if the device isn't seeing air movement and there's less air density (like when the vents are closed at altitude), then absolutely can overheat. Mine has flown along at 14-15k'+ and never overheated. But then again, it's shutdown 95% of the time because I can't see it! Why does it fly with me? Current nav aid/chart source and a barely useful backup nav source. But... now that Garmin Pilot works *very well* on my Droid (which I CAN see), then ForeFlight & iPad may be going away...
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10-23-2012, 05:27 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: KSLC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatc
Ipad won't work well in a canopy aircraft? Heck, I don't work well in a canopy aircraft. That's why they made the Koger shade.
Is the screen perfectly readable (shade or no shade)? No. Is it functional? Definately. My cousin has been using NOTHING but an ipad to traverse the continent for over 600 hours!
As far as the 10,000 limit and heating issues....I can't imagine it being very hot at any altitude above that.
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The I-pad, as well as my 7" Nexus 7, don't have near the readibility of my Garmin 696.........when it comes to anything, but complete shade.
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10-23-2012, 08:58 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 15
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ipad use in a -6A
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Originally Posted by Hack
I have looked at an Ipad standing around outside and had come to the conclusion that it would not work very well in the panel of a canopy aircraft. I also had problems with the size of a standard IPad so I quit thinking about it. Now that it is smaller and panel compatible (at least in terms of the form factor) I am going to look at it again. So tell me RV canopy drivers with IPad on the panel, how does it hold up in high ambients?
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I haven't had much luck with the ipad (version III) in my -6A. I've had it shut down several times in flight after a few minutes when ambient temps in the low 80's on the ground.
The glare in the cockpit (even with a large Koger sunshade) is another operational consideration. Not enough screen nits for sunlight use with my tired old eyes.
Steve Lerner
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10-23-2012, 09:12 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Whitefish Bay, WI
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I've solved the overheating problem by never using a case, using one of the knee pad holders that keeps the ipad off my knee, keeping the ipad out of the sun to the extent possible, and to the extent out of the sun is not possible directing some vented air at the ipad. My ipad is on from startup to shutdown. Before I started taking it out of the case it would overheat and sometimes takes 5 minutes or so to cool off. I feel very confident the overheating problems are a thing of the past.
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10-23-2012, 09:36 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
Posts: 212
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Originally Posted by Chino Tom
Drinking the cool aid again. Other than using a knee board (and that is even a little marginal) the iPad is a little large for the RV-8/4/3. Now there is the mini, which should fit the tandemers a little better.
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/
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I have been putting off the purchase of an iPad for a few months because of the rumors that the Mini was coming. Foreflight recommends the iPad 3 because of its better display and faster processor chip. After looking at the iPad comparison on Apple's web site, http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/compare, it seems that the Mini is a smaller version of the iPad 2 (as far as the display & chip are concerned) so it seems that the iPad 3 is still a better choice.
But.....I have a question for those of you that have used both the ipad 2 and iPad 3 with Foreflight, is there much of a difference?
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10-23-2012, 10:01 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: West Fargo, ND
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10,000', Ha!
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Originally Posted by TThurston
I watched the announcement with interest. When it was over I checked the tech specs on Apple's website, and noted "Maximum operating altitude: 10,000 feet (3000 m)". That surprized me. But I checked and it's also listed as the max altitude for all iPads.
So what does this limit mean?
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Hows this for Ipad / Foreflight performance at altitude?

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