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  #11  
Old 10-10-2012, 12:56 PM
moll780 moll780 is offline
 
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I just registered for march 19-27 for both classes.
seems like a good idea to know this. on the other hand.. ignorance may be bliss...

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I was really tired in the morning because of staying up last night to get through the Syllabus typing job. Stayed awake with trouble in the morning because of that but a power nap at noon and I was good as new.

- Some history of the company
- Serial number information
- Gray sludge in end of crankshaft is from the lead in the fuel - should be cleaned every 500 hours.
- Prop strikedefinition
- Crankshaft coverage
- Camshaft and camshaft followers and roller tappets
- Crankcase design, assembly and torquing
- Oil/lubrication system

Bob Axsom
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Old 10-10-2012, 04:09 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Lycoming School Day 3

Today was concentrated on the Cylinders:

- Connecting rods
Manufacture
Forging & casting raised numbers
Etched part numbers
Weight codes
Bearings
Torque bolts
Stretch bolts
- Piston pins
- caps
- Honing
- Pistons
Design of top of pistons
Lubricating oil control ring
Compression rings
Semi-wedge design
Ring surcace for different cylinders
Air bleed holes
- Cylinder & Head design
Valve guides
Valve seats
- Compression Checks
Differential
Direct
Failures that will not be revealed by differential method
-Cylinder color
- Valves
Design
Intake
Exhaust
Sticking
Symptoms
Causes
Avoiding
Correcting
- Valve Springs & seats
- Hydraulic Plungers
- Lubrication
Oil wearout
Change interval
Oil filtration system
pressure screens
Suction Screens
Filters
Visual inspection for metal
- Gear alignment for cam drive
- Test for cam timing
- Oil Pressure release valve
Tall tower
Tall tower adjustable
Short Tower
- Inverted oil system
- Oil Analysis
- DVD on lubrication system

End of Day 3

Bob Axsom

Last edited by Bob Axsom : 10-10-2012 at 04:28 PM. Reason: much cleanup
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:40 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Day 4

I worked late into the night last night trying to put some notes together for
the race in Cleveland Texas Saturday without a sectional or GPS and as a result
I was very tired today and had a rough time getting the usual value from the
course. It seemed like I was in a room full of mechanics and they were just
talking about the subjects and I was just hanging on. That's just the way it
was for me but I felt that it was a little superficial.

What was covered today:

Ignition System
Spark plugs
Ignition leads
Magnetos
Cleaning spark plugs
Ignition timing
Spark Plug rotation pattern
Idle setting
Plug fowling
Exhaust Systems
Gaskets
Materials
Mounting flanges
Induction Systems
Carburetor Ice
Fuel Injection
Supercharger
Turbo Charger

I have a lot more notes with details But I can't keep my eyes open.
Tomorrow we take an engine apart and we put it together again on Monday and
Tuesday as the subject of the enginse disassembly and Reassembly course.

Bob Axsom

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Old 10-12-2012, 04:45 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Day 5 - PAYDIRT

Today we went to a lab and broke up into pairs. Then we COMPLETELY disassembled an O-360. Hands on disassembly was a great pivotal experience. My mental state will never be the same with respect to the engine. I'm sitting in the terminal at Harrisburg, PA waiting for the start of my two airplane flight back to Houston to fly in the race at Cleveland, TX in the morning. Should get there around midnight.

Monday I should be back in the lab at Williamsport, Pennsylvania to start putting the engine back together.

Bob Axsom

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Old 10-12-2012, 08:35 PM
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Default EAA Lycoming School

Lycoming puts on their engine school at AirVenture in the Back of their red Lycoming tent for free. It's the same course BUT there is no hands on session & the handout literature isn't what I think they handout after paying for the course but I still got a lot out of it. Even got a free Lycoming Tshirt after taking three four hour sessions. I don't believe it made an expert out of me but it didn't hurt me either so if at AirVenture check it out and save the bucks.

Dick DeCramer
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RV8 ready for finish kit
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:30 AM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Same guy

Our Instructor is the one that teaches the course at Oshkosh.

Bob Axsom
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:58 AM
John Collier John Collier is offline
 
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Default 500hr Crankshaft Sludge???

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- Gray sludge in end of crankshaft is from the lead in the fuel - should be cleaned every 500 hours.

Bob Axsom
Going to need an education on this one! Anyone with good info please pass me a PM.

Thx!
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Old 10-14-2012, 04:48 AM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Grey sludge

I asked about this in class when we were going through something dealing with the lead contamination of oil. It only applies if the front cap has been removed from a hollow crankshaft and and the rear plug is inplace for constant speed prop operation. When I went to the blended airfoil propeller from Hartzell to replace the nonblended ailfoil propeller to gain the 3 kts of speed Van reported in RVator several years ago, I saw this gray sludge in the open end of the crank shaft that had the consistency of pudding. I did this for racing advantage and so did an RV-8 competitor Alan Carroll. In commication with Alan it came out that he saw the same thing. Fast forward a couple of years and I am in this class and we are talking about this grey sludge in the oil from the lead in the 100LL fuel. I had to ask about what I had seen in the crankshaft when I removed the propeller because I wanted to know about its effect on performance, SPEED. The instructor said it would have no effect on speed but it will affect the responsivness of the propeller to movements of the propeller control - it will slow down the pitch change but not limit the the pitch change travel. He said over time the lead will harden from this pastey state to more crusty form (I have only seen the thick pudding mass myself) and every 500 hours you should clean this out to restore the "like new" operation that you expect from a constant speed prop.

I completed the race in Cleveland, TX yesterday and I am currently in London, KY for a RON on the way back to Williamsport, PA to reassemble the class engine my lab partner and I disassembled Friday.

Bob Axsom

Last edited by Bob Axsom : 10-14-2012 at 09:13 PM. Reason: London, Kentucky not Texas
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:23 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Back in Williamsport ready to start reassembly tomorrow

Finished 2nd in RV Blue at Cleveland at 213+ mph so that went well and I finally got some sleep in London Kentucky last night.10 hours there and two more hours after I got back here. Strange exhaustion experience that I would just as soon not repeat.

My lab partner and I have all of our fastener hardware in a can on the bench with all of the major engine components. That should be an interesting experience sorting out the needs and the availables. At home I put all of the application hardware in separate marked containers but here the danger of missing hardware is greater than the risk of misapplication. We will see if I feel the same tomorrow.

Bob Axsom

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Old 10-15-2012, 06:35 PM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
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Default Day 6

Today was the first day of the engine reassembly.

I have been asked some questions through pm's and e-mail that were answered for me today

1 - Can Parts Manual for the "390" be ordered from Lycoming? YES, per Service Letter 114 (per the instructor in response to my question - I have no first hand experience with this but SL114 will be in the two large books of documentation coming from the Service School - a gift from the first 4 day course)

2 - Could you find out what the Instructor recommends for assembly lubricants. There is a sb from Lyc for special assembly lubricants that are impossible to find in small quantities. I have heard that Lyc school is still using mineral oil/STP mix? Yes

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