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10-11-2012, 10:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by WingedFrog
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based on the current design, is it possible to produce the RV-12 at a competitive price and have a profitable business model? Based on the lower building time of 600 hours, the labor cost at $50/hour is $30K, add this to the cost of the kit, painting and you hit the $115K announced. Unfortunately this does not include the cost of investing into a facility and business overhead.
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Retail (us) vs. wholesale (them)
Quantity price breaks, etc.
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Venice, FL
RV-6A. Mattituck TMX O-360, FP, GRT Sport EFIS, L3 Lynx NGT-9000
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N184WM reserved (RV-8)....finishing kit in progress. Titan IOX-370
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10-11-2012, 10:39 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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Originally Posted by WingedFrog
Unfortunately this does not include the cost of investing into a facility and business overhead.
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They are using an established company to do the building, one that has a long history of teaching alum aircraft assembly. Synergy Air, read the first post.
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Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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10-11-2012, 10:52 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 223
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Wow! They even stepped away from the "home-built" videos and have a real, produced video to go with a real, produced airplane! Very cool.
--Bill
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10-11-2012, 11:39 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 119
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Flight schools?
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Originally Posted by Jamie
I would love it if one of the local flight schools/fbo's got a couple of RV-12s in their fleet
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Originally Posted by E. D. Eliot
Flight schools will buy the RV-12 in great numbers - mark my words. This is exactly what is needed for flight schools.
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Originally Posted by boom3
I'd love to see some flight schools with them.
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While I would love to see that as much as anyone, the truth is: Flight schools have not bought a whole lot of LSAs since they became available. There are four airports within an hour of my house that have FBOs (plus one Class Bravo)... but only two LSAs that you can rent (both at the same one of these four airports). One of the other airports had an FBO that also had a couple LSAs, but it went out of business. Out of all the single-engine airplanes owned by flight schools, I can't imagine that more than 10% are LSAs, probably a lot less than that.
I think LSAs are so rare because an LSA is a lot more expensive to buy than a used Cessna (unless you buy a vintage LSA like an Ercoupe or a Champ). And another factor: Are there a whole lot of potential students who would learn at your flight school if you had a $110/hr airplane, but not if all you have are $150/hr airplanes? (If so, a 152 might be a better option than an LSA, to fill the "budget" niche).
In other forums where I participate, some hopeful future pilots ask "What's the most affordable way to get a pilot's license?", then some of us answer "Sport Pilot", then the original person replies "I can't find a flight school that has an LSA wihtin an hour of my house. Lots of 152s and 172s and Pipers, though".
I learned to fly in a SportStar. It would have been pretty awesome to learn in an RV-12!
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10-12-2012, 05:01 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Louisville, Ga
Posts: 7,840
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Wow!
What a wonderful world model...a new airplane built in America, by Americans!
Just recently, I visited my son in Athens, Ga. and in the lobby of the FBO was a glass case with Caterpillar models of what the new factory in Athens will produce...$$Millions of dollars for the Athens area. The best news ...they're relocating to Athens from JAPAN!
We've done it here in the USA and by golly, we can do it again.
So happy!
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RV-10, 510 TT
RV6A (Sojourner) 180 HP, Catto 3 Bl (502Hrs), gone...and already missed
Air Tractor AT 502B PT 6-15 Sold
Air Tractor 402 PT-6-20 Sold
EAA Flight Advisor/CFI/Tech Counselor
Louisville, Ga
It's never skill or craftsmanship that completes airplanes, it's the will to do so,
Patrick Kenny, EAA 275132
Dues gladly paid!
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10-12-2012, 05:06 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 517
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What happens to the entire LSA market should the current 180 hp no medical proposal get approved by the FAA? Ralph gets to keep flying his
RV-3/4/6/7/8/9, Joe his C-172, and Bill his Cherokee.
Tony
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10-12-2012, 05:55 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,378
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Same as now...they have to burn AVgas while the Rotax can burn car gas with ethanol. More and more areas of the country are becoming (by law) ethanol mandated.
Last edited by Peterk : 10-12-2012 at 01:11 PM.
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10-12-2012, 07:16 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ellsworth, ME
Posts: 842
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news flash re: the S-SLA from AOPA
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10-12-2012, 07:30 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,295
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Spicer
What happens to the entire LSA market should the current 180 hp no medical proposal get approved by the FAA? Ralph gets to keep flying his
RV-3/4/6/7/8/9, Joe his C-172, and Bill his Cherokee.
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Light Sport Aircraft still have the advantage of ASTM certification over part 23 certification -- a difference that is certainly non-trivial.
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"What kind of man would live where there is no daring? I don't believe in taking foolish chances but nothing can be accomplished without taking any chance at all." - Charles A. Lindbergh
Jamie | RV-7A First Flight: 7/27/2007 (Sold)
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10-12-2012, 08:09 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rockwall, TX
Posts: 103
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RV-12 Rental
I've been hoping this would happen for quite some time. So now, the big question...
What would be a reasonable rental rate for the RV-12? Keeping in mind the realities of rental aircraft (high insurance costs, scheduling issues, etc)....what is the amount you would be willing to pay and still afford to fly regularly?
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RV-4 bought it, sold it, bought it back, storm totaled it 
ATP, CFII
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