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10-11-2012, 06:19 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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Welcome to VAF!!
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Originally Posted by Try2Fly
+1 From a non pilot new member!!
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Juan,  to VAF.
Good to have you aboard.
I am in Calif, or would offer you that ride...... but I suspect it wont take long for someone closer to make an offer.
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Mike Starkey
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Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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10-11-2012, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: San Pedro
Posts: 1,013
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Flight Schools
Will buy the RV-12 in great numbers - mark my words. This is exactly what is needed for flight schools.
Kudos to Van's for this offering. I expect that the 'improvements' to the seats, etc will add value also. Hope that the 'improvements' will be certified and available to those of us who are building the kit. What say you, Van's??? You knew that this was coming. 
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10-11-2012, 06:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Sumner, WA
Posts: 722
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I think this is great news! I'd love to see some flight schools with them. I do wonder how they would do sitting outside in the rain for months though. I love my tip up 7A but it's not really great for wet operations. Maybe the 12 seals up a little better. We've probably all rented a leaky 152 a time or two but those things have been outside for thirty years.
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Sumner, WA
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10-11-2012, 07:39 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia, QLD
Posts: 41
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I love that paint scheme... The RV-14 and now this... Well done...
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Australia, QLD
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10-11-2012, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 775
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An excellent move.
I wonder how flight schools will react to fuel splashing effect on window?
Vans now will have an even less compliant customer group than us to deal with!
John
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10-11-2012, 08:25 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,378
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjtjrt
An excellent move.
I wonder how flight schools will react to fuel splashing effect on window?
Vans now will have an even less compliant customer group than us to deal with!
John
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Van's did say they are going forward with the lessons of the 200 "beta testers" that have paved the way. I am surprised that they are going ahead with the tank in the cockpit without consideration for wing tanks. How many of the 200 actually remove their wings and trailer them around as originally expected. Twenty gallons in your cockpit is a pretty healthy trade-off for a gimmick unused.
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10-11-2012, 08:31 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike S
Scott, what are the requirements for working on it, and for signing the annual?
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An S-LSA RV-12 can be maintained and inspected by a holder of a Repairman/Maintenance certificate for fixed wing aircraft (specific certification is issued for different types such as weight shift, powered chute, etc.) or an A&P with Rotax specific training.
Use of an S-LSA aircraft for compensation or hire requires that 100 hr inspections be done just as they are for part 23 aircraft. If it is for personal use only, only a yearly condition inspection is required.
You can take a 120 hr class to obtain the Repairman/ Maintenance certification.
The reason an A&P needs Rotax specific training is because via the ASTM's that S-LSA aircraft are certificated under, the FAA gave the manufacturers the authority to specify what level of certification is required for maint, repairs, and inspections. Rotax is a manufacturer, and in all of their documentation they specify that a mechanic must have factory specific training (so an A&P technically has to get Rotax training for each level of work that he will do).
This engine service training does not apply to anyone with an E-LSA RV-12, because it is an experimental category aircraft, so Rotax's stipulations do not apply (though I feel it is still a very good idea... the majority of the engine questions I see asked here on the forum, wouldn't be asked if the person had gotten proper training for maintaining the engine).
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10-11-2012, 09:29 PM
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: Bealeton Virginia
Posts: 557
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It's Incurable!
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Yes I paid my =VAF= membership dues!
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Build Site: http://www.mykitlog.com/skykingbob/
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10-11-2012, 09:40 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 863
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Here comes the party spoiler!
The news of an RV-12 S-LSA for sale is good for all RV-12 E-LSA builders and owners. As I was learning to fly while I was building an RV-12, I struggled with my transition training because of a lack of RV-12 availability for hire and training.
I am not an Industrial Engineer and therefore cannot rate the RV-12 design regarding it's adaptability to cost effective industrial production. What I remember of the two very plaisant years I spent building one in my workshop is the time consuming aspect of some tasks like metal fabrication, deburing and fiber work on the canopy and cowling. My question therefore is: based on the current design, is it possible to produce the RV-12 at a competitive price and have a profitable business model? Based on the lower building time of 600 hours, the labor cost at $50/hour is $30K, add this to the cost of the kit, painting and you hit the $115K announced. Unfortunately this does not include the cost of investing into a facility and business overhead.
I believe that VANs will quickly get under pressure to create changes that make the kit easier, cheaper and faster to build. Will such an evolution be compatible with the E-LSA status? Will it be compatible with the tools and skills of an amateur builder? I also doubt that an all riveted metal S-LSA is the way of the future, just look at the top selling models: they are mostly composite.
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10-11-2012, 10:24 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lewiston, NY
Posts: 35
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Thanks for the warm welcome Bob...Great to be here. 
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