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10-11-2012, 04:43 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lewiston, NY
Posts: 35
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Originally Posted by Mike S
Hey Steve,  to VAF.
Good to have you here.
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Thanks Mike, glad to be here. Been lurking for about a year now and finally posted today. I have got to admit, this site and the whole idea of building a Vans aircraft is becoming quite an obsession. I made an offer on a partially completed 7 empennage today on the VAF classified and am crossing my fingers eagerly waiting a reply. Hec, Im even dreaming about this stuff....lol
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10-11-2012, 04:44 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NorCal
Posts: 565
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Great news. Now if the Congress and FAA could see to create another category of aircraft, the professionally built kitplane.
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Ralph Finch
RV-9A QB-SA
Davis, CA
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10-11-2012, 04:46 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,768
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that one!
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Originally Posted by RVguy
My feeling is that the RV-14A may end up as a production aircraft as well. 
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There's a lot more red tape in certifying a part 23 aircraft than there is for Light-Sport.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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10-11-2012, 04:48 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas, Fort Worth
Posts: 1,237
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A new gold standard for the Market place!
This sets up a very good market for resale of ELSA RV12s.
Well made RV12s should now be sold around $100,000.00 and up. 
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John
RV12 N1212K
Flying Since June 2010
1020 Hours as of 9/30/2017
Johnrv12@icloud.com
RV14 Wing, arrived and building at Rdog's new Hanger at 16X
S/N 140014
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10-11-2012, 05:03 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 119
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Originally Posted by Mel
There's a lot more red tape in certifying a part 23 aircraft than there is for Light-Sport.
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Indeed. I have to admit that my first reaction was "Whoa, Van's will now be building ready-to-fly airplanes?! If the 12 works out, I bet the 10 and the 14 will be next!". But then I realized that, yeah, ASTM certification of LSAs is a lot easier than FAA Part 23 certification of conventional airplanes. That thought, in turn, made me want to look into the specifics and pick out exactly what the differences are. (This brings to mind the issues that the Zodiac had, because I have heard that one way to think about them is that the ASTM requirements for analysis and for handling are not as strict as Part 23's... And also the Cessna 162, which I heard was being certified as per Part 23, although I never found out why, or even whether that's really true).
In any case, I'm excited to hear that it will soon be possible to buy a professionally-built RV. I expect that this will put RVs into the hands of pilots who would not have considered them. I'm not sure how big the LSA market is (I hear conflicting reports, ranging from "It's booming!" to "The manufacturers are having difficulty selling these expensive new models") but I'm glad that Van's will have a bigger slice of it now.
(To be perfectly honest, I don't understand why people buy new factory-built airplanes, since used airplanes are a fraction of the (huge) cost and fly exactly the same. I'd never buy a new LSA when used ones can be had for much cheaper. But that's just me. Maybe if I had more money in the bank, I would feel differently).
It occurs to me that a slightly slower RV-3 would qualify as an LSA (e.g. with a bigger/curvier wing, maybe some VGs, maybe bigger flaps). It would be one of the fastest-climbing and most aerobatic LSAs out there (especially if you put a nice powerful engine in it, and met the LSA 120kt max-speed restriction via a placard that says "No continuous operation past so-many RPM"  ). Maybe if the RV-12 LSA sells well... Hmmm...
Last edited by AirShowFan : 10-11-2012 at 05:08 PM.
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10-11-2012, 05:22 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
Posts: 9,035
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Originally Posted by Jetguy
This sets up a very good market for resale of ELSA RV12s.
Well made RV12s should now be sold around $100,000.00 and up. 
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Though I can't say whether or not S-LSA RV-12's will or wont raise the going market price for E-LSA RV-12's, I can say that there will still be a major operational difference between the two (which likely will reflect in a difference in sale value).
An S-LSA RV-12 is very similar to a part 23 certificated aircraft in that it can be used for hire (part of a rental fleet at an FBO, etc.), an E-LSA RV-12 can not.
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10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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Scott, what are the requirements for working on it, and for signing the annual?
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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10-11-2012, 06:03 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Central New Jersey
Posts: 51
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Vans RV 12 Announcement
" this site and the whole idea of building a Vans aircraft is becoming quite an obsession."
+1 From a non pilot new member!!
Great sight guys I am on the Vans bandwagon and hope to get a chance to ride in one. ( I am not a gear head but will gladly lend a pair of hands to help some one build if they don't mind a newbie)
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10-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NC25
Posts: 3,507
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike S
Scott, what are the requirements for working on it, and for signing the annual?
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Scott may also post an answer but here is what I know.
You must take classes to be able to work on and do the once a year inspection.
Here is a link to a website with the requirements.
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Gary A. Sobek
NC25 RV-6 Flying
3,400+ hours
Where is N157GS
Building RV-8 S/N: 80012
To most people, the sky is the limit.
To those who love aviation, the sky is home.
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10-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,295
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Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
Though I can't say whether or not S-LSA RV-12's will or wont raise the going market price for E-LSA RV-12's, I can say that there will still be a major operational difference between the two (which likely will reflect in a difference in sale value).
An S-LSA RV-12 is very similar to a part 23 certificated aircraft in that it can be used for hire (part of a rental fleet at an FBO, etc.), an E-LSA RV-12 can not.
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Now that is an interesting point. I would love it if one of the local flight schools/fbo's got a couple of RV-12s in their fleet, especially since I have now parted ways with my RV.
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Jamie | RV-7A First Flight: 7/27/2007 (Sold)
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