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Old 10-03-2012, 10:41 AM
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The crimped fittings are quite a bit cheaper than the reusable fittings, so it is hard to beat the price of a pro-made hose. Plus they will pressure test the hose.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:48 AM
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A long while back I priced the "make it yourself" options from both Spruce and Vans for a firesleeved hose.

With a comparison to a custom made teflon hose from PHT with a molded in firesleeve the price increase was pretty small.

Pick these two hoses and work out a DIY price and a PHT price and let us all know the results...

http://www.aircrafthose.com/

With our crowded firewall forward areas the molded in firesleeves are much less bulky giving more room for other stuff...
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:01 AM
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To expand on why I have done both;
If you have the FWF kit, most of the supplied hoses will work, but due to install and equipment variance, a couple may not work out. Making them was the easiest way to deal with this for me vs measuring and ordering built up hoses.
On my Bucker, I did a complete hose replacement, one for one. It was far easier and probably cheaper to have the hoses made patterned off the old hoses.
Both work.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:05 AM
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Default I have to agree with Gil

I ordered my hoses from PHT and was very impressed with the results. I'm sure I could have learned how to make fuel and oil hoses properly however, I wanted the experience of a professional shop doing the work. Plus, the integral fire sleeve is a very compact hose.

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:26 AM
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Default I have done it both ways as well

I just like buying the hose and fittings I need and doing it myself. Specifying the precise length of a completed hose assembly you want that will properly satisfy the requirements of a specific application is NOT a simple task. Having excess length that you can hold in place for the routing, bend radius, etc. you want, with an allowance for the rigid end lengths, mark and cut to start the build has a lot of personal appeal. The one custom hose I ordered looks great but it rides on the smooth surface of the firewall, may wear, may transfer mechanical forces to the ends, etc. and I just don't like that. Building your own requires that you approach the job as a critical task and not something to slide through inattentively. You know your work style. Some hose and connector/fitting types require special tools and that is part of the research you need to do when planning to build your own.

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:28 AM
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Default Fuel, oil, and brake lines

Can't beat the quality, value, and service from Bonaco.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:44 AM
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Another happy customer of PHT here. The last time I ordered custom oil hoses from them, I placed the order in the morning and the hoses were shipped out the same afternoon.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:58 PM
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I did price comparisons 5 years ago.

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...5&postcount=15

I updated the costs today and the money parts are here. The same conclusions apply.

As an example - a 24 inch, 3/8 fuel line hose with firesleeve. Straight end fittings.

Approx. prices from A/C Spruce
$17 - Hose - 24 inches
$21 - Firesleeve - 24 inches
$38 - Two fittings
$3 -- 2 end clamps

Totals $79 - and does not include $109 (... ...) for the fancy, certified end dip stuff. But most homebuilders either omit this step, or just smear red RTV here...
Also does not include a few bucks to the local shop for pressure testing, several hours saved (unless you have already done many), and the usual expense for band-aids, etc.....


Vans Hose bits and pieces prices - same as above but by Aeroquip -

Approx. prices from Vans (but are Aeroquip) - components only
$25 - Hose - 24 inches
$20 - Firesleeve - 24 inches
$50 - Two fittings
N/A -- 2 end clamps

Total - $95


Todays quote from PHT

24 inch certified Stratoflex 111 hose with firesleeve - $81.54

or a possible upgrade...

24 inch certified Teflon hose Stratoflex 124J hose with integral firesleeve - $108.54


The cost savings for DIY just don't really add up in the hose department, and a small increment will get you an integral firesleeve teflon hose.


Usual disclaimer, no relation to PHT, just a satisfied customer.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:07 PM
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I made mine as a learning experience and to ensure I got the exact length I wanted. It is easy and I am glad I did but, as others have said, you may not save much money. For example, ACS sells the hose in 1' increments, and if you need 2'2", you end up buying 3'.

Maybe you can reuse the longer hose you have - cut off the excess length and put on a new connector.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:18 PM
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Default hose replacement question

If I recall correctly, the hoses supplied with the kit are life limited to 5 years. The need to replace all the hoses is coming up for me and I'm planning on replacing them with integral firesleeve teflon. Do the lengths need to be altered due to differing stiffness or acceptable bend radii or can I simply use the existing lengths when ordering new? Sorry for the slight thread drift...
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