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09-26-2012, 03:19 PM
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Motion to stop using the phrase "My A&P"
Why not just call the person a mechanic? If they are not you, and they are working on your plane, it is assumed they have the appropriate credentials
Just wondering why everyone likes to refer to A&P's rather than just "mechanic"
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09-26-2012, 03:23 PM
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Well, my take on this is the "A&P" has the appropriate certifications from the FAA to perform specific work on an aircraft. A "mechanic" may or may not have that certification. Quite a big difference when dealing with "legal" FAA rules associated with maintenance and repair.
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09-26-2012, 03:30 PM
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Respect for qualifications achieved
I think that while an A&P is a mechanic, he worked hard for the privilege to be called by that title.
While I certainly AM just a flying monkey, I am proud of the fact that I earned the privilege to call myself an aviator.
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09-26-2012, 03:30 PM
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Actually Brian is correct.
The A&P's certificate is for "MECHANIC".
He may be rated for Airframe and/or Powerplant.
However, I don't expect the practice of calling him/her an A&P will change anytime soon. The term has been in practice for many decades.
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Last edited by Mel : 09-26-2012 at 03:33 PM.
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09-26-2012, 03:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
Actually Brian is correct.
The A&P's certificate is for "MECHANIC".
He may be rated for Airframe and/or Powerplant.
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This may be, but I have a great "mechanic" that I use for my automobile repairs. He is a great mechanic. Considering, as an experimental aircraft owner, I could have him work on my airplane whenever I wanted to, I think it would do a disservice to any conversation to lump the work that he would do as my "mechanic" in with the same context as I would when discussing what my "A&P" did while working on my aircraft.
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09-26-2012, 03:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkthomps
Why not just call the person a mechanic? If they are not you, and they are working on your plane, it is assumed they have the appropriate credentials
Just wondering why everyone likes to refer to A&P's rather than just "mechanic"
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This is just one reason I got out of A&P work in 1997 and have been doing HVAC TECH work ever since. We were "just" mechanics, a dime a dozen and paid accordingly. I went to HVAC tech school for two years in Atlanta and make 50% more working on your home air conditioning system.
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09-26-2012, 03:44 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Amityville, NY
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A Title Earned
I believe a mechanic who has gone through the schooling and testing has earned the right to be called an Airframe and Powerplant Technician.
An accountant who has not passed the Certified Public Accountant exams is just an accountant, not a CPA.
My daughter graduated with a Bachelors Degree in Speech Therapy. After two full years of graduate school, many hours of internship with clients, a state exam and after 900 hours of supervised work she can call herself a Licensed Speech and Language Pathologist.
My point is certain titles are earned by a combination of formal education, testing and/or experience. IMHO an A and P is certainly one of them.
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09-26-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne Gillispie
This is just one reason I got out of A&P work in 1997 and have been doing HVAC TECH work ever since. We were "just" mechanics, a dime a dozen and paid accordingly. I went to HVAC tech school for two years in Atlanta and make 50% more working on your home air conditioning system.
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Crazy.... and nobody dies if a nut goes missing. Smart man....
I have a lot of respect for the A&P's I occasionally use and will call them whatever they want me too.
I hold the repairmans certificate on my 6, but I am no A&P.....
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09-26-2012, 04:06 PM
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Respect, clarity and efficiency. Respect for the work involved in earning it, clarity to differentiate from IA or Repairman certificates and efficiency because it's fewer letters 
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09-26-2012, 04:26 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
Actually Brian is correct.
The A&P's certificate is for "MECHANIC".
He may be rated for Airframe and/or Powerplant.
However, I don't expect the practice of calling him/her an A&P will change anytime soon. The term has been in practice for many decades.
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What Mel said.
IX. Has been found to be properly qualified to exercise the privileges of
II. Mechanic
XII. Ratings - Mechanic Airframe; Powerplant
Let's remember though; just like doctors and lawyers, not all mechanics are the same. There is a BIG difference between a mechanic working at the local airport FBO, the docks at the airlines, a posh corporate hangar, or any one of thousands of other types of operations. One is not "better" than the other....just "different".
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