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09-15-2012, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sherwood, Oregon
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Take your time
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I have found a very nice RV-6A (not completely opposed to a Nose dragger).
It is $45k, has a very nice vfr panel (g296 and round gauges) built in 2003 with low engine time on an O-320 160hp. The airplane looks clean and very nice- I could easily get into this with a quick transition and then starty RV-4 project.
What shoul I expect insurance to be around on a 6A? Cheaper than TW?
I would have about 7-10 hours RV time, 100ish TT, 15 hrs complex, retract, twin time. Not IFR. And the plane would be hangered.
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I repeat, get a competent set of eyes for a quick look, and if that passes, then an in depth prebuy who may find a few faults...Based on that, make an offer...
For insurance try http://www.nationair.com/
You can take this statement to the bank tho... "There is no hurry" so take your time, relax!
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Jerry Cochran
Sherwood, Oregon
RV-7a 707DD Bot from David Domeier 12/01/11
Lycoming IO-360 Catto 3 blade Panel upgrade in progress
RV6a 18XP 1st flite 03/21/07 sold to Dale Walter 10/22/2011
Superior IO-360, Hartzell Blended, GRT/Dynon
Happily "autopaying" DR
"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself."
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09-15-2012, 06:42 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: TX & CO
Posts: 465
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Originally Posted by NavyIBNFE
What shoul I expect insurance to be around on a 6A? Cheaper than TW?
I would have about 7-10 hours RV time, 100ish TT, 15 hrs complex, retract, twin time. Not IFR. And the plane would be hangered.
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Your hours are very much in line with what mine was when I bought my 6 a year ago. Yes, the tricycle gear will be slightly cheaper. My insurance is through Aviation Insurance Resources. I only had 118 hours prior and that was all tricyle gear. I hadn?t flown in 18 years, and certainly never a taildragger. As soon as I got my TW endorsement and got signed off, they quoted me $1,446.00 for my first year on a RV-6 with CS prop and only 440 hours on it. I?ve added another 90 hours, and they have dropped it down to $1,200 this time. Plus I can let anybody fly my plane that has 500 hours flight time, and a certain amount of hours of TW time in type. I don?t even have to have them on my plan, they are automatically insured. I know of others that have a lot more time than me, and are paying less than half of that. I think mine will continue to go down as my hours build up as long as I continue to not have any accidents.
Aviation Insurance Resources are RV friendly. Their number toll free is: 1-877-247-7767 (CO,IN, MI, NY, OH, PA) All other states it is 1-800 941-6677.
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09-15-2012, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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Thanks John and Jerry-
I will be spending the next few months looking over possible options, finishing my TW endorsement, and ultimately flying a few differently configured RVs to find the type i like the best. Then, when it comes time to buy, get my inspections done and if its a little older or outdated I can then spend a few years flying and saving to make the modifications I prefer.
I think a TW will be my ultimate choice.
@ John- you mentioned your first year insurance was $1446? If I understand correctly that was with a brand new TW endorsement and little time in type? I think my TT should be around 125 hours by the time I buy, Ill have all sorts of checkouts in complex and high power, plus I already have my multi and about 15 hours of retract time. only around 10 ish hours of TW in type tho- and I think thats what is going to bite me.
As my TT build it will be mostly in my soon-to-be RV and that will eventually lower my premium. I will also need Hull as well since I will be most likely financing around 70% against the aircraft. That will also drive up my cost.
I will go get a quote with AIF, thanks!
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-15-2012, 10:14 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Posts: 2,182
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My first year's insurance on my RV-6 was also around $1400, even though I had over 100 hours in tailwheel RVs (-4 and -8), but none specifically in a tailwheel RV-6. My agent is Hardy Aviation Insurance. I've also been told to expect a drop to probably around $1200/yr after my first year in the RV-6. They consider the -6 a different type from the -4 and -8, probably due to the -6 being a little bit more difficult to land than the others (my guess). I've got 60K hull coverage. The "open pilot" part of my policy requires 250 tailwheel time total and 25 "in type", and the RV-7/RV-9 does not qualify as "in type" for the RV-6, they specifically want RV-6 tailwheel time for that.
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Airplaneless once again...
Last edited by Neal@F14 : 09-15-2012 at 10:19 PM.
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09-15-2012, 10:37 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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Neal-
That sounds fair for insurance too- I am expecting to be somewhere around there.. still waiting on two companies for my quote... :|
I havnt heard the -6 is harder to land. Is that because if poor ahead visibility? or different nose attitude than a -4? SPeed? I could see sitting off to the left would take some getting used to flying with my left hand- I learned left handed, but I prefer right when it comes to a stick rather than a yolk. Trivial I think...
When I spoke with a CFI who has a -6 he says he can give me an endorsement and transition for a -4 or -6, because his has a letter from the FAA granting him the ability to do so. However, I have heard insurance is different- so if I get transition in a -6 I should be fine whether I get a -4 or -6
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-15-2012, 11:55 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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Open pilot clause
Thread drift----
In standard aircraft policies pilots flying under an open pilot clause are NOT covered - you, the named insured, are covered. The insurance company reserves the right to sue the pilot to recover what they paid out to the named insured, and the named insured is obligated to help them with the lawsuit!
If you allow your friend to fly your aircraft you should get him named as an additional named insured. Friends don't let friends fly under an open pilot clause.
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09-16-2012, 03:11 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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Noted! thanks for the advice. I didnt know that.
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-16-2012, 04:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: TX & CO
Posts: 465
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Originally Posted by BobTurner
Thread drift----
In standard aircraft policies pilots flying under an open pilot clause are NOT covered - you, the named insured, are covered. The insurance company reserves the right to sue the pilot to recover what they paid out to the named insured, and the named insured is obligated to help them with the lawsuit!
If you allow your friend to fly your aircraft you should get him named as an additional named insured. Friends don't let friends fly under an open pilot clause.
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Bob, that?s important info that is good to know if that is the case, amazing how they leave out the little details. So, it looks like I?ll just put their names on my plane if that is all it takes to keep them from being liable. I only plan on having an instructors name on it, anyway. Here is how my policy reads:
?Any pilot with your permission maintaining a Private or more advanced pilot certificate who has logged a minimum total time of 500 hours including a minimum of 100 hours in aircraft having the same type of landing gear (retractable and/or tailwheel) including a minimum of 25 hours in the same make and model aircraft being flown.?
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Originally Posted by NavyIBNFE
I havnt heard the -6 is harder to land.
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Here are the two most useful threads I found on VAF about landing the 6.
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=25698
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=40094
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09-16-2012, 07:01 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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Here is an interesting project for sale I just found on Trade-a-plane.
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/...A/1579030.html
I emailed the seller and he gave me a very detailed parts list, tools, spare parts, extras, a couple things Id need. He has a O-320 E2D (150hp i believe) and he has most basic IFR avionics and instruments. Custom interior is included, a few fluids, and so on.. Only will need to be finished and painted. Tested too of course.
The seller mentioned he had an offer for $30k, but he declined to to his quality build and craftsmanship. He has a list of all items included which total over $50k.
Ideas?
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-16-2012, 07:02 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Posts: 55
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His name is John Faulkner if anyone knows him, he is a 3rd time builder I think.
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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