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09-12-2012, 10:23 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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jbagley- I was looking at that airplane too, does that engine TBO at 1800 hrs?
If so, that mean I would have 200 hours before investing in an overhaul (and the joys therein) what would you expect an experimental overhaul with minimal issues to run? I have heard everywhere from $8k to well over $20k.. that seems like a huge factor to gamble with very shortly after purchasing... What do you think?
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Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-13-2012, 06:53 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyIBNFE
jbagley- I was looking at that airplane too, does that engine TBO at 1800 hrs?
If so, that mean I would have 200 hours before investing in an overhaul (and the joys therein)...
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In our world "TBO" is only a negotiating point during sale - not a requirement. The right engine willl go well past the factory TBO.
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Michael Robinson
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09-13-2012, 07:10 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Aloha, or
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NavyIBNFE
jbagley- I was looking at that airplane too, does that engine TBO at 1800 hrs?
If so, that mean I would have 200 hours before investing in an overhaul (and the joys therein) what would you expect an experimental overhaul with minimal issues to run? I have heard everywhere from $8k to well over $20k.. that seems like a huge factor to gamble with very shortly after purchasing... What do you think?
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It's a sweet plane. I know both the builder and the current owner (who is also a builder). The engine TBO is 2000 hours. It's 17 years old since new, gets flown regularly and is well taken care of (always hangared in Oregon). If I didn't have a flying RV then I would buy this one.
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09-13-2012, 07:31 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
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That sounds like a solid bird with your guys' endorsements!
I do like it, would like to test fly it with the owner around Christmas If its still available.
The only thing is- with the engine being a bit closer to TBO- does that affect the negotiating terms as far as price? I have never bought a plane, many cars, but the last thing I want to do is offend the owner of a very nice airplane and Im sure he knows its value MUCH better than I.
I would be financing a portion of it, I hear NAFCO is good with experimentals so I would need to contact them and see what I can do before making any sort of contingent offer. I will be getting my TW transition + endorsement in December before Christmas!
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Jake Frantz
Constantly Moving...
Lumbering around in a King Air 90 wishing I was flying an RV 
Waiting to pull the trigger on an RV-14
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09-13-2012, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
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Of course engine hours are a negotiating point. TBO's aren't mandatory, but common sense says you have to build in a bigger engine reserve fund into your numbers for a high time engine than a lower one. Although, as others have said, a low time engine that has just sat around, not flying, is not a great deal either.
I wouldn't worry about offending the current owner. It's your money. Many owners are emotionally invested in their "baby", and not realistic about actual market value. One more thing: there are some people who really value good looks, and will pay a premium for a cosmetically perfect airframe. This drives up the price of these showcase aircraft. You can save some money if you can look past a fair paint job and less than showcase interior, but mechanically sound, aircraft. For the amount of money involved here, you want to hire an experienced RV builder or A&P to do a pre-purchase inspection on any aircraft you buy. This is standard and shouldn't insult anyone.
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09-13-2012, 11:45 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Use care in your "pre purchase inspection". Since the term is not really defined, some with an A&P rating will peek thru the crack in the door and count the wings, if they are both there then it is passed and you must pay..
A person that has built one and maintains one is worth a dozen A&P's that never even saw one. Besides being far far better, an experienced builder will most likely do it for free even.
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09-13-2012, 11:54 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SoCal
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I would very much prefer an inspection like this: http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/id23.html
Also, in my mind currently, my ideal RV-4 is:
Light...cs prop and injection not needed.
Night vfr minimum. But I plan to do xc....so AP and basic IFR a huge plus. I figur3 these may be upgrades I do later if I buy a vfr plane.
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09-13-2012, 01:23 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Now THAT is a good pre purchase inspection, well worth the money, with superb credentials to do the job right.
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09-14-2012, 07:39 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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The Utah RV-4 looks like a good entry-level aircraft, albeit with low time on an older airframe. Personally I wouldn't shy away from anything that had flown 30 hr/year though, and was well maintained and hangared. Regular use is more important than actual total time, I think?
The yellow and blue -4 doesn't look like there's much room for negotiation... Yes, it's a higher time engine, but I think it said it was first-run, so the first overhaul could be quite cheap. And it does have some nice features... Dynon, av8or, nice paint, etc. Based on what I've seen lately in the market, it's priced about where it should be. Of course, it never hurts to make an offer... 
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09-14-2012, 09:44 AM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DonFromTX
Use care in your "pre purchase inspection". Since the term is not really defined, some with an A&P rating will peek thru the crack in the door and count the wings, if they are both there then it is passed and you must pay..
A person that has built one and maintains one is worth a dozen A&P's that never even saw one. Besides being far far better, an experienced builder will most likely do it for free even.
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That is true of any pre-purchase on any aircraft. An A&P with experience on type should do the inspection. Knowing what to discuss up front and what criteria to use is also critical. Many A&P's have not built a 182, Bonanza or any other multitude of types but are still subject matter experts when it comes to inspecting them. Therefore I see no requirement needed to have built one as long as they have experience in the type.
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Wings/Fuse N18VA Res
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