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09-09-2012, 08:42 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 365
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Trip and route advice - DFW to PHX
My wife has a work conference in Phoenix in mid October, and we're planning our first multi-leg trip from Meacham (FTW) to Phoenix (haven't decided which airport to fly into). I'm looking for any advice on routes to take, routes to avoid, good fuel stops, bad fuel stops, do's and don'ts, etc. Any advice is appreciated.
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09-09-2012, 09:23 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: San Diego
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There are a number of MOAs and Restricted spaces along your route so depending on activity you are going to have to navigate around a lot.
I have always wanted to stop by KTCS (Truth or Consequences) on your route. At this time it tops my list of airports with great names. If you stop there, please post pictures.
KDHT (a bit north for you) is a great stop over for all caravans crossing the desert. Good gas prices , hotel and food availability.
KLVS (Las Vegas Muni) is one of my favorite little airports with nothing but good gas prices and the middle of nowhere feeling. There?s something wonderful about sitting outside at KLVS listening to the wind and being able to look out for a hundred miles. Think Louis L'amor country.
KSJN (St Johns Industrial) might be too close to PHX that you may not want to stop there. Its another regular stopover on the ?southern? route. Two runways, good gas prices, courtesy car (interesting specimen) and a lady with an Austrian-German accent at the desk.
Safe flying.
Suresh
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09-09-2012, 10:26 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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If you want to stay closer to civilization (*), use the Newman VOR at El Paso and Tucson as way points. It's about 6% longer than direct but avoids the White Sands restricted areas and big mountains.
(*) except for East TX, no route across there is close to civilization... 
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09-09-2012, 10:51 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: AZ
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I flew that leg last weekend (52F to P19) Friday night late, hoping the restricted area wasn't active. I stopped at Carrizozo (F37) around midnight. Nothing there but $5.25 100LL. Restricted area was still active for a few more hours, so I had to fly north 40nm to go around (Apparently that restricted area isn't usually active on weekends, so you could get through on a Sat or Sun). Also, it took a while to be able to get ahold of ABQ center to get flight following because of mountains, even at 12,5. When crossing the Rockies they often times lose me for a long time on the radio and/or radar. I flew the south side of the restricted area over El Paso later that weekend to San Antonio. There were no cheap fuel stops in that area and I ended up making it direct, so can't comment on fuel stops to the south.
If you can make it to KSJN you can get some cheap gas. If you want to stop sooner, KPRZ looks to be on a good route to the north of the restricted, with $5.40 LL, and you could probably only make that one stop, then make it direct to Phoenix. I fly into P19 in phoenix because of convenience to my destination, but it is a secure area for $5 a day and I would recommend it. It is a gorgeous airpark. Plenty of tiedowns and you can sometimes find hangar space for short durations.
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09-09-2012, 12:09 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Glendale, Arizona
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Don't know about fuel enroute, but if you get fuel around the valley, Casa Grande and Chandler have some of the best prices. Scottsdale is usually the worst.
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09-09-2012, 03:21 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
If you want to stay closer to civilization (*), use the Newman VOR at El Paso and Tucson as way points. It's about 6% longer than direct but avoids the White Sands restricted areas and big mountains.
(*) except for East TX, no route across there is close to civilization... 
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Since this will be my first long cross country in the RV, staying close to civilization might be a really good idea.
Any fuel stop recommendations for the southern route?
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RV-8 #82594 Flying since May 2012
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09-09-2012, 03:35 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: DVT Phoenix
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Hi Jeff, I fly out of KDVT, it's a nice place but most all of the airports here are good. It just depends on where in Phoenix you will be conducting bussiness. If you choose KDVT the fuel self serve is on the north ramp and if you want more info let me know. It usually takes me about 5 hours for that trip and have stopped in the ABQ area for fuel. Belen? Larry
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09-09-2012, 03:59 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff A
Since this will be my first long cross country in the RV, staying close to civilization might be a really good idea.
Any fuel stop recommendations for the southern route?
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Not sure of the range you want, but Horizon or Donna Ana on either side of El Paso are good.
Deming is also good, quick and a bit cheaper. None in the middle of the route are really cheap though.
East TX is empty...
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Half completed RV-10 QB purchased
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Grumman Tiger N12GA - flying
La Cholla Airpark (57AZ) Tucson AZ
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09-09-2012, 05:12 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Southern Route
Hi Jeff,
I like the Southern route. I stopped at Andrews, E11 for fuel. From there, El Paso and work your way in. There is some airways you can follow to avoid MOA's.
You didn't say where you were going in Phx. It is a big place.
Feel free to give me a call if you have any questions.
480-204-0662
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09-09-2012, 06:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 365
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Thanks for all good suggestions. I'll have to get on Foreflight and try a few different plans.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RV7Guy
You didn't say where you were going in Phx. It is a big place.
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That's because it's all still up in the air. My wife's conference is just south of the Phoenix Mountians. She wants to visit a friend in Wickenburg, and I have a friend in Mesa I want to catch up with....I'm thinking Deer Valley might be the best option for our stay.
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RV-8 #82594 Flying since May 2012
Barrett XP-360, Catto 3-Blade, Dual G3X Touch, GTN-650, VP-X
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