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Old 08-23-2012, 11:01 AM
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I practiced this maneuver first up high and then at the airport. The condition was little to calm wind, no passenger (obviously) and I would give myself 3 seconds delaying time to account for the element of surprise.

These are what I learned:
1- Even though I was expecting it and had the engine running, my heart was still pounding hard
2- Steep turns yielded much better results, 60 degree was far better and staying just above the stall speed
3- The lowest AGL I tried was 600? and had extra as I would have to get it down to the runway otherwise would have ran out
4- I noticed that I would still subconsciously still have my right rudder (from the climb) and would have to remind myself to let off the right rudder

I started having a procedure for each take off, make note of wind (cross wind will help much with this) and set a minimum altitude for returning back, but I have got lazy again and not often practice those mental note prior to any take off

P.S. My home airport is in a very unfriendly area for straight in off field landing, but for real low AGL, we have an option of taking a taxi way which use to be the old runway.
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Old 08-23-2012, 11:52 AM
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One option that is a good one is an airport with 4 runways. You make a 90 degree turn and you are on base for the other runway. Preplanned and briefed, of course.
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:33 PM
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4- I noticed that I would still subconsciously still have my right rudder (from the climb) and would have to remind myself to let off the right rudder
This would mean you should probably make your plan for a left turn in light crosswinds (better to be low and slow with top rudder, than bottom!).
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:55 PM
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This would mean you should probably make your plan for a left turn in light crosswinds (better to be low and slow with top rudder, than bottom!).
If there is no to little wind and all equal, I would certainly make a left turn as I have a better view of the runway in my side-by-side plane. Also, even in a steep turn, my 7A stays pretty coordinated and requires no rudder so the best thing is just to let off the rudder to stay coordinated specially so close to the ground and near the stall speed.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:34 AM
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:24 AM
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Without any context that picture doesn't really add to the discussion. Did that pilot try a Split-S to get back to the airport? There's no way to tell.
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:50 AM
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Without any context that picture doesn't really add to the discussion. Did that pilot try a Split-S to get back to the airport? There's no way to tell.
I had to do some google-ing to find the article:

http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/08/26/...all-plane.html

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Witnesses say the plane had apparent engine problems and dipped downward while attempting a turn just north of Lake Tahoe Airport.
Now we all know how "accurate" witnesses to plane crashes can be, but it could be the case. Keep in mind South Lake Tahoe is about 6,300ft AMSL.
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:48 AM
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Without any context that picture doesn't really add to the discussion. Did that pilot try a Split-S to get back to the airport? There's no way to tell.
(Errrr... Sorry, Link didn't post right. Sometimes smart phones aren't so smart...)

http://www.rgj.com/article/20120826/...oe-plane-crash

Appears ....
Engine problems
Turn towards airport
Spin
Night w/half moon

Sadly seems whenever this topic is started there is an accident ...
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Keep in mind South Lake Tahoe is about 6,300ft AMSL.
It this case ...
DA likely was around 8000 feet (maybe a little more. )
10,000 foot mountains west, south and east.
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:41 PM
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My minimum is 1000'...I'm a low time pilot hoping to become a high time pilot.
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