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08-22-2012, 12:01 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the legal liability of having what I think lawyers call "an attractive nuisance". If you have no theft controls at all and the local 15 year old decides that he can fly, you will undoubtably hear from his family's lawyer if he hurts himself.
I've noticed the insurance company asks about a hangar, but nothing else along the lines of theft prevention. I think their experience is that nothing practical will stop a professional thief, and the non-pros are too few to worry about.
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08-22-2012, 12:19 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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Originally Posted by BobTurner
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the legal liability of having what I think lawyers call "an attractive nuisance". If you have no theft controls at all and the local 15 year old decides that he can fly, you will undoubtably hear from his family's lawyer if he hurts himself.
I've noticed the insurance company asks about a hangar, but nothing else along the lines of theft prevention. I think their experience is that nothing practical will stop a professional thief, and the non-pros are too few to worry about.
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And to piggy-back on this line of thought (security vs anti-theft), are there any TSA related issues with respect to unlocked aircraft sitting on the ramp?
How about if flying out of the country to say Canada, Mexico or the Bahamas? Any recommendations pro or con for these scenarios?
Since I'm starting on my RV-10 doors this weekend, this subject of locks is very timely.
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Last edited by Auburntsts : 08-22-2012 at 12:22 PM.
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08-22-2012, 12:38 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Central Oregon
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Avionics theft would concern me parked out for any length of time. Why not slip those high dollar boxes out of their trays and take them with you? Make up some kind of foam lined carry case, then slip them back in their tray when you’re ready to go.
PS Engineering video here at the 30 second mark showing how easy it is to slip one out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qp19iXhPOA
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08-22-2012, 01:30 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
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Pk,
Are you kidding? I can barely carry the 100 lbs of baggage let alone another 25 lbs of avionics. Then I could not leave the expensive avionics in the hotel...so I'd carry it to the hiking trails, dinner, fishing boat charter, pool/beach, bathroom, bar then back to the hotel. I would not travel if I had to do that.
Easier fix: Mine is labeled, "Insured by Smith & Wesson".
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08-22-2012, 01:48 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Originally Posted by Wayne Gillispie
Pk,
Easier fix: Mine is labeled, "Insured by Smith & Wesson".
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We think along similar lines. Mine is "Warning: Driver carries less than $20 in ammunition."
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08-22-2012, 02:16 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: na
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auto theft alarms
many of the auto theft alarms have pretty nice radar detectors for detecting when people get too close. I had one installed in my BD4 (after having all my avionics stolen) and it worked great. I could set the sensitivity of the radar to only go off when someone was right up against the cockpit side window or door. The siren was located in the bagage compartment and also had a flashing LED I mounted protruding out the pilot door. At night you could see my plane flashing a 1/2 mile away. Only down side is if you don't fly for a couple of weeks your battery will be drained. I left mine connected to a trickle charger between flights when home and was never on a cross country long enough to worry about.
I've thought about the same thing for my -8 but have not gotton around to it yet.
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08-22-2012, 02:21 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester NY
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...Only down side is if you don't fly for a couple of weeks your battery will be drained....
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Could this alarm be set up to be active only when switched on? Or would it be a constant drain anyway?
Thanks,
Dan
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08-22-2012, 02:41 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Madison, Wisconsin
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There's some info on aircraft theft and burglary here:
http://www.acpi.org/
On the whole it appears that aircraft theft is an increasingly rare event. I'm not sure what the motivation would be to steal an RV, other than perhaps joy-riding?
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08-22-2012, 02:53 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rochester NY
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I'm less worried about someone stealing the aircraft.
I have parked at fly-ins and come back to find people leaning on the extended flaps, up on the wing, actually turning the prop and a bunch of other mindless stuff. Typically, they're not aviators and don't like to have you tell them not to do that no matter how reasonable or polite you try to be.
The "radar alarm" mentioned above seemed interesting.
Dan
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08-22-2012, 03:00 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New Smyrna Beach, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Auburntsts
And to piggy-back on this line of thought (security vs anti-theft), are there any TSA related issues with respect to unlocked aircraft sitting on the ramp?
How about if flying out of the country to say Canada, Mexico or the Bahamas? Any recommendations pro or con for these scenarios?
Since I'm starting on my RV-10 doors this weekend, this subject of locks is very timely.
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I don't think the TSA has any requirements for GA, but some airports and some states do. For instance, IIRC, at the Teterboro airport aircraft are required to have at least two theft deterrent systems. i.e., door locks and throttle lock, or throttle lock and kept in a locked hangar, or some other combination. I don't know if KTEB really enforces this, but I am pretty sure there are other places around the country with similar requirements. I have no clue how you would find out if a particular airport has any requirement. Most of these were put in during the immediate aftermath of 9/11 with no consideration for how practical they would really be. (Kind of like TSA now that I think about it  )
I have door and baggage compartment locks as well as locking fuel caps. I always put the canopy cover on if leaving the aircraft overnight. Sometimes I even put it on if the airplane is going to be kept in a large hangar with other airplanes. I just feel like if someone can't see what is inside the airplane they might be less likely to try to break in. If I had to choose one or the other, I would rather have the canopy cover than door locks. I have the VP-200, so the airplane cannot be started unless you know the "secret code"  .
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Last edited by dmaib : 08-22-2012 at 03:03 PM.
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