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07-27-2012, 06:23 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Originally Posted by Mounz
That's not entirely true - they did rework and re-engineer pre punching into RV-8 fuselage kits as well as changing rudder pedal designs in the RV - 6 to name but a few. .
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I specifically referred to upgrades to "superceded" models. When Vans introduced full pre-punching to the RV8 it was not a superceded model (still isn't superceded). Likewise the RV6 had not been replaced by the RV7 when Vans changed the pedals (and also changed the nose gear). But once the RV7 appeared, the changes to the RV6 effectively dried up. So based on Vans historical modus operandi I suspect it is doubtful that we can expect any further significant "convenience" upgrades to the RV7 now that it has been superceded by the RV14. As an RV7A builder who is not yet in the air I wish that the above were not true, but based on precedence I fear that it is.
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07-27-2012, 10:28 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Someone called the RV 14 an RV 10 with two sets. I sat in both today at Oshkosh and I would agree! Between the extra width and the taller canopy, it felt very roomy.
Oh and one of Vans guys said that the reason there wont be a slider had to do with how low the longerons are on the 14 as compared to the 9. Not sure I understand that, but that's what he said.
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07-28-2012, 03:55 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Mesa Az
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Perhaps people might want to wait and see how the -14 flies before calling it a fat boy airplane.
A large fraction of builders seem to want to stuff the biggest possible engine in their -7,-8 and-9. Big engines and a heavy constant speed prop are nice but they can make the RVs less nimble and fun to fly.
Van seems to feel that the trend towards stuffing the biggest motor and prop on the front of the smaller RVs really degrades the best fun to fly aspects of the RV. One of Van's goals of resizing of the -14 may have been to try to restore some of the more fun to fly characteristics of the small engine RVs to an airframe sized from the gitgo to the larger engines people seem to be stuffing in their RVs.
Good used Lycoming 4 bangers are becoming increasingly rare, and many that I see on the used market have a prop strike history, so new engines are going to be more attractive in the future.
If you are going to buy a new engine anyway and the price of the IO-390 can be brought down a bit to make it more competitive then the -14 really begins to look like a winner.
Besides, a tailwheel -14 with a light parallel valve 360 and light weight prop would make for an interesting project if the CG worked out right.
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07-28-2012, 06:51 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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What a plane
Just got wind of the 14....What a surprise. After reading about it and watching the videos and comments, I'm selling my 7a project for different reasons now. one of the videos says the EMP is identical to the -9. Does this mean you can order the -9 EMP now to get started before the other kits are available with out having to modify anything to fit the -14 fuse?
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07-28-2012, 07:03 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Irvine, CA
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Originally Posted by rwshooter
Does this mean you can order the -9 EMP now to get started before the other kits are available with out having to modify anything to fit the -14 fuse?
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As I understand it, no. Ken Krueger said that they did use the -9 empennage, but that it was beefed up some, presumably so it would meet aerobatic requirements.
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07-28-2012, 07:04 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dallas/Ft Worth, TX
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Originally Posted by rwshooter
Just got wind of the 14....What a surprise. After reading about it and watching the videos and comments, I'm selling my 7a project for different reasons now. one of the videos says the EMP is identical to the -9. Does this mean you can order the -9 EMP now to get started before the other kits are available with out having to modify anything to fit the -14 fuse?
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NO, according to one of the RV reps at Osh the tail has been modified for the aerobatic loads, I also noticed the new trim tab has a riveted TE to match the TE of the elevator.
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07-28-2012, 07:30 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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Thanks....missed the beefed up'd portion of that but sort of assumed it with acro included on the -14.....this is going to be an awesome plane!.....can't wait to get started 
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07-28-2012, 07:41 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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Does anyone know if the 390 has a version compatible with Mogas?.....or if you could use a 375 Mogas engine?
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07-28-2012, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Hilton, South Africa
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Great looking new aircraft - it does upset the status quo regarding the clarity of chosing which RV to buy though. I do think however that Van will in future sell mostly RV14's - no more 7's and 9's.
How nimble does it feel at 2000lbs plus GW? Whenever one speaks to Vans people about building an RV they always mention that keeping the weight down is of paramount importance as the nimbleness of RV's is what sets them apart. 2000lbs plus two seater is one hefty aircraft!
Will be good for Vans as he will now be making more of the components in house - no more Vetterman exhausts and metal weldments (slider and tip up frames) purchased from 3rd party manufacturers. More of the dollars stay in Aurora! Clever business move.
Even though the canopy, baffles and other bits are easier to fit, building an RV is still a monster of a project. Dont be fooled by a few improvements of fit, even though any time savings in the build time are welcomed.
Any buyers for my 7 and 9A?
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07-28-2012, 08:06 AM
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What about a turbo normalized 4 cylinder engine for th 14 . If it's built to handle more speed than the 7 that might just be the ticket.
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