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Old 07-26-2012, 07:40 AM
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I wonder how the 14 would perform with the full-sized 10 wing? I would think it would bolt right on... Super 9 anyone?
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:44 AM
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I wonder how the 14 would perform with the full-sized 10 wing? I would think it would bolt right on... Super 9 anyone?
Exactly - The 14 seems to have a lot of RV-7 DNA...aerobatic, big engine with c/s prop.

Wouldn't it be nice for Vans to release a 14 variation that is more like the RV-9 with a longer wing, smaller engine, FP prop, non-acrobatic...oh and a baggage door.

Then they could drop the 7 & 9 entirely (which they may already be planning) and still have two 2 seat designs with similar but different missions.
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:56 AM
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Could it be the first real mistake that Vans has made? Are people really going to build a two seater and spend the huge money for a IO-390? I really don't see how the numbers are going to work out, maybe I'm missing something
I doubt it's a mistake... but also it is hardly likely to appeal to the users of this forum

I get the impression there's a disaffected section of potential Vans customers out there, with lots of $$$, who have avoided the current range for size / small engines etc. They are trying to target that market - not the current builders / pilots who are largely quite happy with the current 7/9 family.

It may be that the -10 has surprised Vans with good sales for something that sells for lots of $$$. Ditto why a pre-punched -3 I reckon is never on the cards - lots say they like the idea, but given the R&D costs and likely sales, I suspect it doesn't add up.

I would also disagree the 7/9's day are limited. The -14 is in a different league, and with fuel price / scarcity issues, and economy poor, I think there is a place for all The 7/9 R&D is paid for, and is a cash cow - why close it down?
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:00 AM
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Too bad they only did the RV14 bigger, not faster with better performance. According to the spec the RV14 cruises 10 mph slower, lower climbperformance, higher stallspeed and longer takeoff/landingdistance....... with lager wings....
I have my Empennage for the RV7 in my garage, planning to start building this autumn....but are now considering the order of a new empenage for the RV14........
Any comments from you experienced RV'atiors
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:09 AM
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What is the current market competition for the 14?
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:46 AM
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Too bad they only did the RV14 bigger, not faster with better performance. According to the spec the RV14 cruises 10 mph slower, lower climbperformance, higher stallspeed and longer takeoff/landingdistance....... with lager wings....
I have my Empennage for the RV7 in my garage, planning to start building this autumn....but are now considering the order of a new empenage for the RV14........
Any comments from you experienced RV'atiors
I looked at it...and am working on a 7 emp. I think I'll stick with the 7.

I'd prefer smaller and lighter, and then maybe build a 10 next. Or a big high-wing hauler, depending on where capability is most needed as my flying evolves.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:47 AM
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What is the current market competition for the 14?
RV-7 and RV-9.
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:58 AM
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Too bad they only did the RV14 bigger, not faster with better performance. According to the spec the RV14 cruises 10 mph slower, lower climbperformance, higher stallspeed and longer takeoff/landingdistance....... with lager wings....
I have my Empennage for the RV7 in my garage, planning to start building this autumn....but are now considering the order of a new empenage for the RV14........
Any comments from you experienced RV'atiors
The ease of build is attractive, but personally, I would not want a bigger airplane. Most of my flying is solo, which is pretty typical, so room is not an issue. I am a little more limited with range in my 6, but that is rarely an issue and the 7 matches or exceeds the 14. I have limited space in my hangar with multiple airplanes already stuffed in there so the added wing span is not attractive to me.
While there are subtle differences in the flight characteristics of all Van's models, I would have to believe the 7 will be more nimble but I have not spoken with KK or anybody who has flown the 14 yet. If it handles like the 9 or 10, you will be happier with the 7, no disrespect to the other models. I would expect the 14 roll rate to be less than the 7, just like the 7 and 8 are less than the 6 with it's shorter wing. Again, the differences are pretty subtle and I would expect the RV14 to fly and feel very much like, well, an RV. I would stick with the 7 myself.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:05 AM
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Maybe the best argument that doesn't completely support the RV14 could have been made by Van himself some years ago: keep it light, simple, not over-powered, total performance! Markets do change I guess Van has changed too, as first evidenced by the RV10; but not before instilling in most of us his basic philosophy regarding amateur built aircraft.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:02 PM
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Too bad they only did the RV14 bigger, not faster with better performance. According to the spec the RV14 cruises 10 mph slower
I seem to remember reading somewhere in here that Vans reckons the build time on a -14 to be about 70% of that on the -7. The Website claims build time on a -7 to be about 1600 hours, let's assume that's accurate. So according to the factory, one might be able to build a -14 in about 1100 hours.

That means for the first 500 hours the -14 builder is 195 mph faster than the -7 builder. It's going to take a LOT of time on the -7 to make that up: over 10,000 hours before you've both covered the same distance (if my back-of-a-beermat math is correct).

Personally I'd rather be flying than building, even if it is 10 mph slower.
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