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Old 07-24-2012, 04:04 AM
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Hey I am a cheese burger boy..... I need the 14 .... Now can I afford it.....mmmmmm

Or should I say how bad do I want it....
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:12 AM
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Builders will buy the RV14A over the RV7A just to get the improved nose gear. I certainly would.

RV7A builders/flyers are so twitchy and nervous about the failure rate of the existing nose gear design that they have already spent over a half a million dollars buying a third party brace device that no-one can be certain really works (at this early stage).

Vans wont sell too many more RV7As.

Sad for me....I've been superceded even before I get into the air.
Alan will be pleased to read this.... they have already spent over a half a million dollars buying a third party brace device

Van's will be sad to read this.... Vans wont sell too many more RV7As.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:47 AM
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Now all you guys who are building Seven's know how the "Six" builders felt when the RV-7's were introduced!
Haha, I like it. Oh..wait, I'm still building a -6...sh*t.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:51 AM
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This new model sits very well with me. I'm almost 6'4" and 220lbs. Not fat, just big. There are a lot of people out here that struggle with the, "will it fit?" question. Several buddies would like to build but none of the models except the -10 fits. I started a -7 knowing that it would always be tight after having sat in one. It would have made the long legs almost impossible for me. So, I decided to go for an -8, hoping that it would fit better. It does but just a bit and my wife has to sit in the back. Not necessarily a bad thing for me but she sees it differently, in a tolerable way. Which means she'd probably fly less often. This hits the nail on the head for me at least. I wonder though, can I economically go with the IO-375? The 205hp version would be close to the 390 and at about 10k cheaper to boot. Also, the spec sheet article states "basic aerobatics," will it perform the same acro as a -7 or -8? And lastly, a tail wheel is a must!

Thanks Vans!
I'm in the same boat size wise. That said, I've got plenty of time in the RV-6 and the only time I felt even a little cramped was with a passenger of the same dimensions, even then though it wasn't really a big deal.

I have mixed emotions over the 14. Aerobatic with an RV-10 wing? Will it handle an IO-540? Really curious to see how it looks as a taildragger.

If I were in the market for the 7 or 9 this would really give me pause, but it's a lot of extra money for slightly more room. Does have some cross country performance advantages.

Now if they would take the modular approach with the RV-10 I think that would be a home run.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:14 AM
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Default 2 place 10

The best thing I can think of to call it is a two place 10!!

Nice design. I don't think it will hurt the sales of existing 7's. Many will simply not have the funding for a 14.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:22 AM
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I like it. I'm slow building a -10 but really don't need the extra seats. The spiraling cost of avgas and an IO-540 give me pause.

Now I'd like to see one of these in the -14.

http://www.deltahawkengines.com/econom00.shtml

Might have to think about building one of these instead of the 10.

The fact it can do limited aerobatics makes it even more attractive.

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:35 AM
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Default Pretty airplane with more room but...

I like everything about it except it specs to be slower on more fuel burn

I was hoping for an airplane designed solely for speed but still with the RV heritage to compete with the lancairs, etc. 200 kts on 180 hp
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:30 AM
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In my opinion, the reason Van's has introduced the RV-14 is that they have been meticulous in their market research.

In order to grow revenue, they wanted to provide a product that would appeal to a new customer base and to eliminate the many objections that potential new builders have, such as:

I'd like to build an RV, but...

They take too long to build;
Wiring is hard;
They are too small for big bodies;
I can't carry my bikes;
I hear that the nose gear design is marginal;
I hear that the steps break;
I hear that the gear shimmies;
I want to travel long distances, but want to have fun as well (aerobatics);

Notice that price is not the biggest objection. For someone who wants to build an airplane, they will eventually find a way.

Some of the considerations are important to the spousal units. Comfort is always a consideration on long trips, especially with non-pilot passengers.

Finally, a significant amount of Van's business is export. The more complete a kit can be made, including wiring and avionics, the more attractive the kit becomes. International clients spend a lot of money on shipping, so bundling everything you need in a few subkit shipments makes sense. Spending $50 on shipping a $5 component and waiting weeks for it to arrive is a problem.

I probably have overlooked a bunch of benefits, but I think this aircraft will have an appeal well beyond the zealots that habituate the VAF forum.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:51 AM
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If I were about 15 years older, I would sell my -9 and get started on the -14. In fifteen years we plan to be retired, own an airpark house and hangar, and we'll be older (less flexible and more in need of comfort while travelling.) I would spare no expense and make it into the ultimate travelling machine, and still have lots of fun locally.

I'm impressed...and surprised, but for now I'm sticking with my stalwart RV9.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:55 AM
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Default nose wheel

My interest is the nose wheel. I want to see how it works and if it is possible to modify the -9a I am building. The front wheel is the reason I almost went for a Lancair over the 9. Maybe Alan can come up with a mod to make it work.

I would like to see the 14 up close. I have hope the medical exemption will be approved, so I don't think the 14 is what I would want, but I do like the changes to help with the intimidating parts of the build. Maybe the wiring and instrument packages will fit the 9. In real life, I could have Stein build exactly what I want, so shouldn't make a difference.
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