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Old 07-16-2012, 07:59 PM
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Stein (or anyone else that might know).....

Any idea as to how sensitive the antennea will be to placement?
I'd really don't want to mount this on the dash in front of me or the co-pilot...

Do you think it would work if it were mounted somewhere in the baggage area? Or is there a better location that would keep it more out of sight?

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:21 PM
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Notice that it only detects ADS-B out traffic. 98% of the GA fleet has no ADS-B out but a Mode C transponder. You will need the GTS-800 to detect the Mode C traffic.

As for weather I will still keep my XM\WX. Works on the ground and in the Bahamas. With XM I know what weather I will be facing while taxing so I can plan my heading to avoid the approaching storm. With ADS-B WX you will likely be heading into the approaching storm with no wx data. Not to mention that the ADS-B WX updates are much longer than those on XM.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:28 PM
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Realistically, I can use the weather app on my phone to get current radar prior to takeoff. So there might be a 5-10 minute gap between when I shut down the phone and when I get to altitude and the ADS-B weather loads.

The question I have is how well does the Garmin app and this technology work with an iPhone, because the iPad is too big for my cockpit.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:40 PM
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Just when I had determined that I would go to OSH and buy the Stratus Bluetooth device for ForeFlight/IPAD, Garmin had to go and throw a new device into the mix!

So, the question is...how would this device compare to the Stratus/Foreflight?
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:50 PM
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Just when I had determined that I would go to OSH and buy the Stratus Bluetooth device for ForeFlight/IPAD, Garmin had to go and throw a new device into the mix!

So, the question is...how would this device compare to the Stratus/Foreflight?
This one apparently works with a handheld GPS which will drive an autopilot. That's a big plus in my mind.

A number of users have reported temperature related shut-downs of the Stratus device. A cheap sun shield seems to be the solution, but should that be necessary for an $800 item?

If I had an Aera, the Garmin ADS-B product would be a slam dunk. But I don't, so it isn't. ;-(
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:33 PM
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Stein (or anyone else that might know).....

Any idea as to how sensitive the antennea will be to placement?
I'd really don't want to mount this on the dash in front of me or the co-pilot...

Do you think it would work if it were mounted somewhere in the baggage area? Or is there a better location that would keep it more out of sight?

Thanks,
Jason
Comments were made by Garmin folks that the antenna can be remote mounted. I see what looks like a MCX connector on the side in the pic.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:43 PM
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Notice that it only detects ADS-B out traffic. 98% of the GA fleet has no ADS-B out but a Mode C transponder. You will need the GTS-800 to detect the Mode C traffic.
This is not entirely correct. It receives traffic air to air from ADS-B out planes but will also receives (with a catch) the ground based transmissions which are a composite of everything that ATC sees including Mode-S, Mode-C and Mode-A targets (might even include generic radar returns, not sure on that).

Now the catch to it is that the FAA will only beam ground based traffic to planes with ADS-B out. If you are close enough to the plane that does, you can get the ground based traffic signal. If you are not, you don't.

If you have ADS-B out, you get it by default.

The unit is also dual band which is a good thing.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:57 PM
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I believe there is an optional antenna (I'll check tomorrow and report back). Brian beat me to this...if you have the "out" and are receiving back, many times the Mode C traffic is included in the data. The ADSB receiver doesn't actually "detect" anything as mentioned by Pepe...it receives data - data that often times includes all transponder equipped aircraft, adsb equipped or not. The GTS indeed does detect other transponder equipped planes. This can be a confusing subject, but Garmin has a new website which simplifies some of the ADSB mystery. Agreed that the weather is still better with the XM (& I enjoy the music too)....but free is good and its better than no weather.

Also, I've had no problem with an iPad in my RV6....fits right beside me when closed and is far superior to use over my phone for Foreflight/Garmin app viewing (I do have both, but haven't used either on my phone since I got an Ipad). When flying, I pull it out, see what I want, goof around with it for awhile on my lap, then put it away again.

Just my 2 cents as usual.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM
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Seems like you can save even more cash by not purchasing the XM antennae with this thing, so aside from saving the subscription cost this thing should pay for itself pretty quick, no?

Stein, with the G3X, GTX-23ES, and this gizmo would a user be all set up for full ADS-B capabilities?

Also, if you plumb this thing straigh into a G3X can you also connect it to an iPad via bluetooth simulataneously?
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:31 PM
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It's a sad reality, but almsot all electrical devices are updated on a regular basis. Are you using a cell phone that is of that vintage, how about your computer? I too wish things would last longer than they do (and that I could by tools of good quality), but like computers or anything else electronic, technology just keeps moving ahead and things get outdated quickly. The iPhone came out later than the 496, and it's going to have it's 5th refresh this fall; there has been 3 iPad's in 2 years; Microsoft still can't make a version of windows that works. I could go on and on...but the point is that things just get superceded. Heck, I'm one of the rare folks driving a 10 year old car! My point is that obviously this is not just a Garmin phenomenon and it's naive to think they would not try to keep their products competitive with other developments in the market.
Just my 2 cents as usual.

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It is amazing how quick things change and fortunately or unfortunately that isn't likely to change. I think the problem is that if I pay $2500 for an airplane GPS and they come out with a newer better one, that is OK, but when they stop supporting my 5 year old unit, that's harder to swallow. Especially when they are now competing with a $400 Ipad and maybe a $250 Kindle/Nook. I don't mind replacing a $200 phone every two years, if it was a $2000 phone that would be more troublesome. Also, if this new device won't work with Foreflight or WingX I would probably go with one of the competitors.
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