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Old 05-21-2012, 05:39 PM
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Hmm, no studying in the evenings? Might explain what I now see in the group of 20 engineers I'm in. All of us have graduate degrees. 5 were born in the US. 15 foreign-born. Americans don't want to put the work in to study anything, including science, engineering, and flying. - Buggsy2
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Amen.. The American engineers I work with are good but they are in very short supply. - frankh
I disagree; I find no shortage of talented US born Engineers. I do see companies and groups that hire foreign born Engineers in order to pay lower wages.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:33 PM
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On the nose!

If anyone doubts this, I will have 17 students (and at least three adults that have never been there) at Oshkosh this year. Stop by and ask them. Ten are from a single class! All of them are paying all or part of their way there. One sold candy to get enough money to go. I know, "free" isn't the answer, but work is. Each of these students will have worked at least a hundred hours, some much more. Excited? They ask when they can go speak at other schools. Sure, they are getting a free SP license, but they are earning it, and that still has appeal. Either that, or the kids here in Indiana are really different.


I guess that ended up being another rant. Sigh...

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Bob,
You contradicted yourself. You describe how your students put in "at least a hundred hours" to get to participate. Then you state that they are getting a "free" SP license. Seems to me it was not free, as they earned it.
I have no doubt that your kids are probably a very special group, and those that are not truly interested and are without passion, are left by the wayside.
BTW, I do believe that the kids in Indiana may be quite different then they are in other locales in the US. That however has more to do with the parents than the kids.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:38 PM
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Yeah but that cheap car won't cost me $2500 to $5000 per year in maintenance costs either. Not only that but a 25,000 Piper is (flame suit on) an ugly, beat up, ancient looking and smelling tin can with wings. Not very exciting for the young kids. In fact, their parents look at them and say..."Does that thing really fly?" That 25K piper really should cost 5K.
Let me tell ya', Aaron....There are some Pipers that can be had for 25K that are truly amazing planes. You need to broaden your search just a bit, and look for the wings in places where Piper don't build em anymore!
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:07 PM
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At Air Group One, of the Commemorative Air Force, San Diego, we are doing our best in an attempt to attract youth out to the airport and perhaps foster an interest in an aviation related career. In addition to offering several $1500 aviation scholarships a year to students newly enrolled in flight training, we are also actively involved in two major programs:

We sponsor an AFROTC cadet flight training program and also a program designed to outreach to our local area schools called “A-STEM”…Aviation, Science, Technology, Engineering & Math. Please check out our link and videos of our A-STEM program below.

http://www.ag1caf.org/A-STEM.htm

Also, our annual Wings Over Gillespie Air Show is just around the corner, June 1-3. The Friday portion of the show is dedicated for local area school children only. We meet and greet the school busses and give the kids a personalized tour of the displays and answer their questions.

All of the above programs have been extremely rewarding. We have seen positive results with students that have passed through our doors and later have entered an aviation career field.

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Just a follow-up. Today ended our annual air show at Gillespie. Below are a few photos of the school children that were bussed out to the airport for a personalized tour. Probably 8 to 10 school busses filled with kids showed up. I had a group of 5th & 6th graders. I think they had a good time, perhaps we kindled a spark or two among them.


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Old 06-04-2012, 05:51 PM
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Several major differences between "then" and now. One giant one is lawyers. Society has become so risk averse and letigous(sp?), that even if the owners/operators on an airport wanted kids around, they're too afraid of being sued if someone gets hurt. The other is fear of crime and boogey men. Now no one can or will let general public into the aircraft operating area unescorted since they may be a domestic terrorist.

Just this last weekend, I saw a couple of guys looking through an open gate at my and a friends' plane while we were fueling at a small field. I should have waved them over. Feel bad now for not doing it. Next time, I will.
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Several major differences between "then" and now. One giant one is lawyers. Society has become so risk averse and letigous(sp?), that even if the owners/operators on an airport wanted kids around, they're too afraid of being sued if someone gets hurt.
I agree with the above. As a school teacher who has the pleasure of teaching high school students in basic aeronautical knowledge, I can attest to the fact they are as keen as ever to be involved in aviation, but the school will not allow any practical flights as the insurers say an absolute NO!

There is also this ridiculous belief that anyone and everyone who is on the tarmac must have a security check and / or be accompanied due to the risk that these young people pose as possible terrorists!
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:17 AM
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Martin, let me know when you are in the area again, love to meet you and talk RV's!!
Will do. Hopefully going to KW again soon
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:30 AM
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Interesting that you talk about this. Today, MSN.com had an article on costs of gasoline, rent, movie tickets in relation to minimum wage in each decade since the 1950's. Here is the article:
http://money.msn.com/personal-financ...mentid=6952105

An interesting spin used with this article was the idea of how much working time it took to pay for the various items. You mention inflation as it relates to a gallon of gasoline and the fact inflation shows the price for a gallon of gasoline has not gone up that much, at least in terms of inflation. Well, below are the respective percentages of minimum wage for a gallon of gasoline according to MSN:
  • 1950
    wage - .75; gasoline - .27; % of wage - 36%
  • 1960
    wage - 1.00; gasoline - .31; % of wage - 31%
  • 1970
  • wage - 1.60; gasoline - .36; % of wage - 23%
  • 1980
    wage - 3.10; gasoline - 1.25; % of wage - 40%
  • 1990
    wage - 3.80; gasoline - 1.13; % of wage - 30%
  • 2000
    wage - 5.15; gasoline - 1.49; % of wage - 29%
  • 2010
    wage - 7.25; gasoline - 2.78; % of wage - 38%

I am a little suspect of these numbers as I have some very vivid personal memories of a few of these years. The first is 1980. I was a senior in high school in 1980 and very vividly remember the gasoline prices of that era. They were no where near $1.25. They were in the .70 - .80 cent range. At that price the % of wage would have been - 23 - 26%. In 1990 I recall gasoline prices around .90 a gallon putting a percentage around 24%. Also, in 2000 the price was no where near $1.49. It was more like $1.00 at that time for a percentage of just under 20%.

Whether you go by MSN numbers or my recollections, it is evident there were some fluctuations of gasoline price/wage over the decades. Currently it appears we are fluctuating upward in % of wages required to pay for fuel costs as we push close to the 40% of minimum wage required for a gallon of gasoline. Of course, I have no comparisons for minimum wage vs average wage but overall this was an interesting take on things even if there were a few questionable numbers given.

Posting just for food for thought.
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Not sure where you live, but based on my memory you are off by a decade. In '81, '82 i was driving a moped and spending about .90 a gal. The prices in the article jive with my memory of Cincinnati and Atlanta prices.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:41 AM
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Not sure where you live, but based on my memory you are off by a decade. In '81, '82 i was driving a moped and spending about .90 a gal. The prices in the article jive with my memory of Cincinnati and Atlanta prices.
Yes, I am sure the various different parts of the country had different prices over the years. The prices I recalled in my post were from Oklahoma. We tend to have lower fuel prices than other parts of the country. Especially most of the eastern/northeastern tier states. I am sure the article's author did not get his price information from any of the fly-over states, my guess is he is a city dweller from one of those very populated east coast states.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:39 PM
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Are these really supposed to be car gas prices??? Car gas in 1960 was right at $0.25 a gallon in northern Jew Jersey. Acrosss the state line in NY at least .05 higher. Avgas in NY in the mid 60's was in the .45 range.
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