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05-15-2012, 05:00 PM
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Another point to consider is that if it really takes twelve hours of flying, that is a lot for one day. I did eleven+ hours from FL to CO once but that was with the aid of a wing leveler autopilot. I always had the option of stopping for the day if fatigue became an issue.
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05-15-2012, 05:23 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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From KFLG
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Originally Posted by jrs14855
So direct Las Vagas NM, just before Las Vegas thru the gap in the mountains and back to the south to pick up the interstate. Then to at least the Ca line. The options are direct to the bay area, Follow the highway to Barstow and then Mohave, Tehachapi pass, and other options but lots of restricted areas.
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I have flown this route many times for work and pleasure-
Coming back form Madera as Stu has described, I did the northern route where the very northern edge of R-2505, just south of Owens Lake is Olancha Peak (just west of Olancha and it's pass to the north.) This can be done at 12K then back to 11.5K for a few minutes- then north or south of Kern Peak- You can see Mnt Whitney on this route. Then on to Woodlake (042 has a newly paved runway)- for cheap gas and a great Breakfast- Study Joshua Approach for this route as they can give you crossing directions and allow you to cross much of the restricted area(s) at altitude if R-2505 is not hot. You would absolutely want to hit the northern route extremely early- say a 5AM departure from Laughlin (IFP) as described above and there should be little winds aloft predicted. The risk /rewards for this route is higher- The view is priceless!
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05-15-2012, 05:32 PM
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Our fuel prices at KSAF (Santa Fe) aren't good but the margies in town are!
Bob
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05-15-2012, 09:50 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin TX
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Whats a margie?
I calculate 3 legs, 1st leg as long as my bladder can hold, 4-4.5 hrs, a second 3 hour and last a 2 hour leg into RHV.
Im still working out the route details with so many good suggestions...
anyone want to fly SIC? hotel paid for if you dont mind my snoring...
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Originally Posted by bhassel
Our fuel prices at KSAF (Santa Fe) aren't good but the margies in town are!
Bob
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05-15-2012, 11:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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S route fuel
On the southern route, Casa Grande is probably the cheapest for fuel (CQZ $5.40)
Lordsburg is listed at $5.15 but is an old report.
Deming (DMN) is more at $5.90 but is Full Service and a very quick turn-around - the truck is usually at your plane before your prop stops....
Just follow highway 10 to Blythe, cross into the Mojave desert at Twentynine Palms, aim for Fox Field (WJF) and cross the mountains at the visible low spot into the central valley and the direct to San Jose.
This portion of the route avoids big mountains and restricted areas.
Austin to El Paso is also easy, sort of follow 10 again, but go direct from Ft. Stockton to Newman VOR. Again this route keeps clear of the White Sands restricted areas and just north of the El Paso Class C.
From Ft. Stockton to El Paso is an awful lot of nothing W. TX.... 
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05-16-2012, 04:37 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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And the headwind can be very strong
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Originally Posted by az_gila
On the southern route, Casa Grande is probably the cheapest for fuel (CQZ $5.40)
Lordsburg is listed at $5.15 but is an old report.
Deming (DMN) is more at $5.90 but is Full Service and a very quick turn-around - the truck is usually at your plane before your prop stops....
Just follow highway 10 to Blythe, cross into the Mojave desert at Twentynine Palms, aim for Fox Field (WJF) and cross the mountains at the visible low spot into the central valley and the direct to San Jose.
This portion of the route avoids big mountains and restricted areas.
Austin to El Paso is also easy, sort of follow 10 again, but go direct from Ft. Stockton to Newman VOR. Again this route keeps clear of the White Sands restricted areas and just north of the El Paso Class C.
From Ft. Stockton to El Paso is an awful lot of nothing W. TX.... 
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In 1991 flying from Killeen to El Paso had to land at a private uncharted strip within sight of El Paso because of 60 kt headwinds.
Bob Axsom
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05-16-2012, 06:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
From Ft. Stockton to El Paso is an awful lot of nothing W. TX.... 
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You're saying that Austin to Fort Stockton is better?! 
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05-16-2012, 07:21 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Alpharetta, GA
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Originally Posted by moll780
Whats a margie?
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Margarita. 
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05-16-2012, 07:40 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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If you do the "southern route" its always cool to see Edwards AFB along the way. Get yourself to KTNP, then L80, past KAPV to L00 (Rosamond) and turn right, over KTSP and up the valley is a neat flight.
Keep in mind many of those smaller airports in the desert are unattended after 5pm especially on weekends. Some have self-serve, but just call ahead and make for sure they have fuel.
As you mentioned, I too like to start with a long leg and taper down later in the day as the carbon monoxide poisoning, dehydrtion, exhaustion, hunger, boredom and sun-stroke all get worse in the afternoon.
Tj
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05-16-2012, 08:11 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
On the southern route, Casa Grande is probably the cheapest for fuel (CQZ $5.40)
Lordsburg is listed at $5.15 but is an old report.
Deming (DMN) is more at $5.90 but is Full Service and a very quick turn-around - the truck is usually at your plane before your prop stops....
Just follow highway 10 to Blythe, cross into the Mojave desert at Twentynine Palms, aim for Fox Field (WJF) and cross the mountains at the visible low spot into the central valley and the direct to San Jose.
This portion of the route avoids big mountains and restricted areas.
Austin to El Paso is also easy, sort of follow 10 again, but go direct from Ft. Stockton to Newman VOR. Again this route keeps clear of the White Sands restricted areas and just north of the El Paso Class C.
From Ft. Stockton to El Paso is an awful lot of nothing W. TX.... 
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On my Georgetown- Madera trip a couple weeks ago I stopped at Deming instead of Lordsburg because of headwinds. I expressed dismay because of the $5.90 fuel price when Lordsburg just down the road was $5.15. Then I remembered from a previous visit that if you pay cash they will discount. I offered cash and he said $5.70, I said $5.50, and he said OKAY.
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