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Old 05-08-2012, 07:45 PM
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Paul you flew a plane with an auto engine? .
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A good bet for the magazine is "Kitplanes" but I doubt if Paul knows the month.
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I spy the Ardmore Municipal airport there; love that FEW P-51! I got to sit in it once and make airplane noises... I still want one.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:44 PM
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As I said earlier it's hard to beat the sound of a real 12 cylinder engine, even a V-8 doesn't do it.

This was in the Thunder Mustang I flew in the back of -

http://www.falconerengines.com/bio/bio_v12.php

At first look, it's like a mini-Merlin....
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Gil, is that Thunder based at La Cholla? We've got a family place in Stone Canyon right under the turn from base to final and one warm March day about a year a go I came running to see what could only be described as a mini-Merlin screaming down the runway in a high speed pass and pull-up! I knew it looked like a mustang but was too small to be the real thing...if that was you, that is one incredible plane!
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As I said earlier it's hard to beat the sound of a real 12 cylinder engine, even a V-8 doesn't do it.

This was in the Thunder Mustang I flew in the back of -

http://www.falconerengines.com/bio/bio_v12.php

At first look, it's like a mini-Merlin....
That is indeed a beautiful engine!!
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:51 AM
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Gil, is that Thunder based at La Cholla? We've got a family place in Stone Canyon right under the turn from base to final and one warm March day about a year a go I came running to see what could only be described as a mini-Merlin screaming down the runway in a high speed pass and pull-up! I knew it looked like a mustang but was too small to be the real thing...if that was you, that is one incredible plane!
Yes... that would be the one you saw...
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:41 PM
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That would be the Poms (British), have a look at the war in the Pacific, the Poms were nowhere. If it were not for the Aussies and Yankies we would be having sushi for dinner.....one of my favourite foods too

How they defended Britian is a mystery, if you look at aircraft designs over the last century, and chart British designs and American designs on a time line, and compare them...... The Poms had no hope. from Tiger moths to the jet age. Hopeless.
Huh ?
That would be by comparison with those well-known products of the Aus aircraft-industry that defended the Pacific skies... the... ?........ and the .....??
oh.... none come to mind.....
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Old 05-10-2012, 08:32 AM
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Huh ?
That would be by comparison with those well-known products of the Aus aircraft-industry that defended the Pacific skies... the... ?........ and the .....??
oh.... none come to mind.....
O.k. a Kiwi who needs educating! Try the following list

5 Designed and all Built During WW2
Wirraway
Wackett Trainer
Boomerang
Woomera (prototype)
Kangaroo (prototype)
P 51 Mustang (licence built)
Bristol Beaufort (licence built)
Bristol Beaufighter (licence built)
de Havilland Mosquito (licence built)

Post war WW2
Ceres (crop duster)
Winjeel
Avon-Sabre (licence built, but with RR Avon motor)
Macchi MB 326 (licence built)
Bell 206 Kiowa (licence built)
Avro Lincoln (licence built)
English Electric Canberra (licence built)
GAF Pika
GAF Jindivik
Malkara missile
Ikara missile
Dassault Mirage III (licence built)
GAF Nomad
McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet (licence built)

Engine types built
Pratt & Whitney R-1340 built for the Wirraway.
Pratt & Whitney R-1830 built for the Boomerang, Woomera and DAP Beaufort.
Rolls-Royce Merlin built for the GAF Lincoln.
Rolls-Royce Nene built for versions of the de Havilland Vampire manufactured by de Havilland Australia.
Rolls-Royce Avon built for the Sabre and GAF Canberra.
SNECMA Atar built for the Mirage.
Bristol Siddeley Viper built for the Macchi.
General Electric F404 built for versions of the F/A-18 Hornet manufactured by the Government Aircraft Factory/Aerospace Technologies of Australia.

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Old 05-10-2012, 08:57 PM
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O.k. a Kiwi who needs educating! Try the following list

5 Designed and all Built During WW2
Wirraway
Wackett Trainer
Boomerang
Woomera (prototype)
Kangaroo (prototype)
P 51 Mustang (licence built)
Bristol Beaufort (licence built)
Bristol Beaufighter (licence built)
de Havilland Mosquito (licence built)

Post war WW2
Ceres (crop duster)
Winjeel
Avon-Sabre (licence built, but with RR Avon motor)
Macchi MB 326 (licence built)
Bell 206 Kiowa (licence built)
Avro Lincoln (licence built)
English Electric Canberra (licence built)
GAF Pika
GAF Jindivik
Malkara missile
Ikara missile
Dassault Mirage III (licence built)
GAF Nomad
McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet (licence built)

Engine types built
Pratt & Whitney R-1340 built for the Wirraway.
Pratt & Whitney R-1830 built for the Boomerang, Woomera and DAP Beaufort.
Rolls-Royce Merlin built for the GAF Lincoln.
Rolls-Royce Nene built for versions of the de Havilland Vampire manufactured by de Havilland Australia.
Rolls-Royce Avon built for the Sabre and GAF Canberra.
SNECMA Atar built for the Mirage.
Bristol Siddeley Viper built for the Macchi.
General Electric F404 built for versions of the F/A-18 Hornet manufactured by the Government Aircraft Factory/Aerospace Technologies of Australia.

cheers

Jim
Gosh !
...thanks for the education !!
I now know about (..if I constrain myself to Pacific-campaign era)
..the Wirraway (copy of American NA-16)...which accounted for exactly ONE enemy a/c
...which is ONE MORE than the total destroyed by the Boomerang (OK..I concede that was actually DESIGNED in Oz...but a fighter that doesn't seem to have been able to fight ??)
..and the Wackett Trainer (..well... I admit I hadn't heard of that one... but I guess the clue to its combat record is in the name !)..and on the basis that 'if it looks right, it'll fly right', its hard to believe this one ever left the ground (..unless it fell off, Australia being all upside-down!)

I mean, honestly ! ... As a POM now resident in N.Z., I'm familiar with Aus larceny, but its not exactly a distinguished track-record, is it ?
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Old 05-11-2012, 08:21 AM
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Ahhh we have a Kiwi / Ozzie contest! So in the true sprit of the Trans Tasman Trophy and the Bledisloe Cup here is round 2

As I recall you did say products of the Aus Aircraft industry . Somehow the 23 products listed as produced during WW2 were made in OZ, and under licence is not quite the same as ...larceny. But lets look at some of the designs. Yes the Wirraway did only shoot down 1 zero, but they did go on to do great service in training thousands of combat crew. (somewhat helpful in winning a war)

True, the Boomerang did not do at all well as a fighter, but a lot of Japanese ground troops had many a bad day when the excelled in the ground attack role... Bit like the Typhoon. (and before you get excited, I am not saying the Boomerang was in the same league as the Tiffie, I am just making a comparison)

I guess our designs weren?t world beaters, but that was not what you said. From nil in 1935 to 1600 aircraft built during the war is not too shabby! In fact from nothing, no building no production line to producing the 1st Wirraway took just over 18mths.The Boomerang went from the drawing board on Dec 21 1941 (after the shock of Pearl Harbour) to first flight on the 29th May 1942, which by any ones measure was exceptional. By the end of the war we did design some real beauties, try looking at the Woomera and Kangaroo. Only the end of the war and the jet era stoped them from being produced (Oh.. and politicians)

Being an ex-Pom I find it interesting that (given your original post) you think that The Beafort, Beaufighter, Mosquito and P51 were not important combat aircraft that made a considerable difference in the Pacific theatre and thus did not help win the war.

Don't get me wrong Australia did not "win" the Pacific war, it is the USA that has the right to claim that, but we (and by we I also include NZ) helped as much as 8 million Australians and 1.5million New Zealanders could.

So come on "Cobber" "fair shake of the stick" I am willing to declare a draw if you are.

(And for all those in the U.S. this is not an argument with any ill feeling, we Australians and New Zealanders always have a "go" at each other, its a right we earned together in 1915)

Cheers

Jim
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