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Old 05-06-2012, 02:19 PM
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Totally agree with Tom Valenzia in a previous post. I am a RV9 pilot and not as fast as you 6/7/8 drivers, I'm also a controller and not all controllers are aware of all the capabilities and restrictions of our aircraft types. Maybe we should not expect that too.
I have been told once to vacate right with my tailwheel still well in the air. A simple "unable" cleared the air and made the rest of the runway available to me.

My advice for next time would also be to say "unable 70 knots due to turbulence" and the controller should come back with his back-up plan... Controllers should always have a back-up plan at hand you know
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:49 PM
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This is so timely... Last night we were doing a "Full Moon Fliers" flight from SQL to WLW. Just North of SGD we hear a radio call from NorCal approach. The call was something like "Experimental RV-10 N1234A traffic at your 12 o clock, 5 miles, same direction is a Skylane, closing speed is 50 knots.". The RV pilot calls back, obviously laughing, and says he's looking for traffic. A few seconds later the controller calls back and says the closing speed is now a little less, now 3 miles. Then he gave the RV a vector to overtake to the side. I got the impression the Skylane driver poured on the coals after hearing the initial traffic call, but it wasn't doing a lot of good.

Of course, I was piloting a 172SP, ans with the 30 knot headwind right on the nose, I was making all of 94 knots ground speed.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:58 PM
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you guys are depressing me if you're saying you've flown the F-16 and the RV is equally if not more fun

i'll never get to fly a F-16, so i'd like to keep the fighters on the pedestal they belong on in my mind
I have flown F-16's for around 8 years now.....the RV-8 can't climb as fast. Has no afterburner, can't go supersonic, doesn't have a pylon to attach any bombs or missiles.....but........when I want to fly to Vegas with the bros, the only approval authority is the wife, LOVE THIS PLANE!
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:40 PM
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Red face C-152 into Luxemburg!

About 8 years back or so, after I just got my PPL, I took my wife on a shopping trip to Luxemburg in one of the C-152's of our flying club. Most of you will not know Luxemburg Airport, but it's a small/medium sized airport between Belgium and France and has a 4.000 m runway (diversion runway for the space shuttle).

Immediately after I was cleared "final" for landing, by the tower, a "Luxair 747 heavy", at the holding point asked for clearance to line-up for take off. The answer from the tower: "Luxair 747 heavy, negative, wait for the landing Cessna".

After a few minutes, the 747 again asked for take-off clearance. Now the tower sounded annoyed: Luxair 747 heavy, negative sir! I told you,...... wait for the landing Cessna!.....

After a couple of minutes more, I touched down and got off the runway as quick as I could. Immediately after me the 747 lined up and took off with the usual roarrrrrrr of powerrrrrr..... I wondered how many years I could have flown the C-152 on the fuel he just waisted idling his 4 jets at the holding point for about 10 minutes or so............

First come, first served........?
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:16 PM
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About 8 years back or so, after I just got my PPL, I took my wife on a shopping trip to Luxemburg in one of the C-152's of our flying club. Most of you will not know Luxemburg Airport, but it's a small/medium sized airport between Belgium and France and has a 4.000 m runway (diversion runway for the space shuttle).

Immediately after I was cleared "final" for landing, by the tower, a "Luxair 747 heavy", at the holding point asked for clearance to line-up for take off. The answer from the tower: "Luxair 747 heavy, negative, wait for the landing Cessna".

After a few minutes, the 747 again asked for take-off clearance. Now the tower sounded annoyed: Luxair 747 heavy, negative sir! I told you,...... wait for the landing Cessna!.....

After a couple of minutes more, I touched down and got off the runway as quick as I could. Immediately after me the 747 lined up and took off with the usual roarrrrrrr of powerrrrrr..... I wondered how many years I could have flown the C-152 on the fuel he just waisted idling his 4 jets at the holding point for about 10 minutes or so............

First come, first served........?
I actually really like your story Tony! It gives me hope that not every decision made in the world is primarily based on money; power; or who is bigger, faster or has the better toys.

Imagine the jet wash you would have possibly encountered had the 747 taken off in front of you! Maybe you would not have flown through it at all but man, what a ride in a 152 you would have had if you would have flown through it. It sounds to me like the controller was aware of this fact and was basing his decision to hold the heavy on this factor, not on money, size or anything else except SAFETY OF FLIGHT FOR ALL INVOLVED!
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:48 PM
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Too bad you can't dicker over the radio with the heavy pilots. You could make 'em paypal you $50 for a 360.
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I came out of the Flyby Pattern at SnF this year in the RV-1 and contacted tower for landing. They told me to keep my crosswind close to get onto downwind because a B-29 was entering downwind on a 45 from the other side. I asked if they wanted me ahead of Fifi, or behind, and the response was immediate ..."DEFINITELY ahead!" they went on to say they'd extend Fifi's downwind to get me down and clear - they didn't want me behind that big bird at all. Yeah, I am guessing that cost the CAF a few gallons of fuel - probably as much as the RV-1 will burn all the way up the east coast.

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