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Old 04-16-2012, 10:09 AM
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I am doing HW floor in my house and it is standard to add 10% to your total footage. This 10% is certainly true and minimum for building.

Add another $10K for all the misc. stuff, including those things you don?t need but it is cool to have
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Old 04-16-2012, 01:42 PM
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Default Scope creep

You'll change your mind on lots of stuff, and add more 3rd party changes than you anticipate. As others have said, add a bunch of reserve to cover those kinds of things. I ended up 10% over my budget, and that's after cutting back on a number of "extras" I originally wanted but then couldn't afford.

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Old 04-17-2012, 06:44 AM
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Default A little more info....

I thought it would be good to put together a little more detail as I described earlier based on current rates.... Note kit purchase when $AUD was significantly lower.....

NOTE these are estimates, however, like I said previously, I feel are much on the money and may even be a little shy add 5% for bits and pieces.....

Price Breakdown $USD $AUD Amount
RV-10 Quick-Build kit $52,145 $51,123
- New Lycoming $53,150 $52,108
Firewall forward accessories $8,763 $8,591
Hartzell constant-speed prop $8,498 $8,331
Contingency - other stuff $3,400 $3,333
Nav and landing lights / strobes $1,000 $980
IFR avionics $46,395 $45,486
Basic electrical system $2,000 $1,961
Cushions / harnesses $2,000 $1,961
Total Aircraft Cost $173,874
GST $17,387

Do-it yourself paint $10,000 $10,000
Primer and accessories $1,500 $1,471
Sea crating $1,320 $1,294.12
Sea shipping $3,500 $3,431
Fees $800 $784
Tool kit / power tools $6,736 $6,604
Total Construction Price $214,649

Hope this helps...
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:33 AM
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Well, that should should just about put a stop to any more -10 kits from being sold.

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Old 04-17-2012, 08:56 AM
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The estimate of $46000+ for avionics is really too high. You COULD spend that much and more however. My friend has $60k into his including an oxygen system and dual AFS. I've only spent $35k with a dual GRT EFIS and a Garmin430, etc. My oxygen has been self installed. I would consider my panel to be loaded for IFR. All depends on what you want to spend your money on.
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:42 AM
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I kept pretty good track of my actual costs and I came in at $185K including the following:

Standard build kit
Dual AFS 5500/5600 - with dual AHRS, dual magnetometers, internal GPS
GTN650
Aerosport Power rebuilt IO540
Hartzell BA prop
Lots of Aerosport Products Carbon fiber products - panel, quadrant, overhead console, hinge pin covers, armrest.
Throttle Quadrant
AFS AOA
ACKE04 ELT
Duckworks HIDs
VP-X
Approach Fast Stack HUB
Navworx ADS-B
SL-30
PMA8000BT
GTX327
Professional 4 color paint - base/clear
Aeroleds Nav/strobes
AF Autopilot
Couple backup round gauges - ASI and Trutrak ADI II w/GPS
TCW IBBS backup battery
About $5000 in Synergy training
All tools (well maybe I forgot to keep track of some cheap HF stuff and expendables like MEK)
Flightline Interior Leather seats
Several extras from Plane Around and Plane Innovations - 3rd latch, SS heater boxes, axle extensions, wheel fairing bracket spacers
Matco nose wheel axle and correct wheel
Leakguard tubes all around
Plenty of powdercoating various parts
2-place portable Mtn High O2 system
Dimmer and CO Monitor from Flight Data

I started 2.5 years ago so there will have been some escalation, but not that much.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:01 AM
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Well, that should should just about put a stop to any more -10 kits from being sold.

Erich
Erich, I have to agree with you. With all the "encouragement" here, I can't imagine another kit being started and we should see kits from those giving up coming up for sale soon.

I am not questioning the costs people are posting, but how about some ways to save and cut the cost of building? An RV of any model can be built to look nice, have a reasonable panel, and be safe, at a reasonable price. I know people that have done it and that is what my plans are. As long as I can control my "wants" to "needs", I will make it!
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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,.... but how about some ways to save and cut the cost of building?.....

Ahh, there's the rub. Sure any RV can be built "frugally", but I'd argue that the 10, of all the other models, lends itself more to the opposite end of the cost spectrum partly because 2 of the major components (the kit itself and the most popular engine, an IO-540) cost significantly more to begin with, but mainly due to it's mission as a purposely designed cross-country cruiser. Few -10 builders I know off want a bare-bones crusier. That doesn't mean you have to be prepared to shell at $200K+, but you still have to go into it grounded in reality.

In my own case I’m trying to finish up soon, getting close to the 90% done, 90% to go phase. I’ve got 3 major purchases left to make (prop, Fire-wall-forward items {alternators, exhaust, hoses, etc}, and radios) and I’m trying to get my financial ducks in a row to get it all ordered. Meanwhile I’ve fitted my cabin top and I’m currently in the process of mounting my overhead console (OHC) to it before the top is permanently mounted to the fuse – it’s easier to work on the OHC with top off the plane and upside down. With the exception of one small tailcone skin, all the major sheet metal work is complete and it’s basically fiberglass work from here on out. Any way, based upon what I've spent to date, what I have yet to buy (for which I know exactly the cost) I'll have spent $162K plus another roughly $5K in tools when it's all said and done.

FYI, My plane will fall somewhere between Greg Hale's and Van's demonstrator as far as accoutrements:

Slowbuild kit started in 2006
Barrett IO-540 Rebuild
Garmin dual screen G3X, GTN 650, SL 30
TruTrak GX Pilot
TruTrak Gemini PFD
VP-200 Electrical system
Full Flightline fake leather interior from Abby
Pro Paint
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:33 AM
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I thought I did a pretty good job of saving money on a number of fronts, but ended up with a pretty darn capable and nice looking airplane. I came within spitting distance of my original budget.

I guess it depends on the mission you want. If you need/want 4 seats it's going to cost more. If you want an IFR panel it's going to cost more. If you want various extras it's going to cost more. I would venture to say that most -10 builders are looking at the -10 as a VERY favorable alternative to Cirrus, -206s, etc. and when viewed in that light the -10 is a winner. I don't know what the lowest cost you could build a daytime VFR -10 for, but it would probably be quite a bit less than my cost and most of those I've seen. The nice thing is, you can do that if you want.

My $0.02
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:52 AM
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Todd and Brian, good points. I was looking at it through the eyes of a person builing a 9. I agree that the 10 is a different animal and does have a different flying profile and when put against a Cirrus, it is an affordable 4 place for sure. It sounds like both of you have kept a close watch on costs and still getting what you want. The advantage of building continues to shine.

To me, some of the posts just sounded a bit negative and that the costs were always going to be more than expected. Im sure that is mostly true, but there are ways to explain this and still be encouraging to new and prospective builders. The more of us, the stronger all of us are.

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