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Old 03-03-2012, 05:02 AM
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Default Engine choices?

What do we have for Engine choices?

This would be for local flying, so even electric would be an option.

Continental?
VW?
Electric?

Interesting.

I would like to share the low and slow fun, although I don't want to give up the RV7 for traveling. A Highlander, Cub, Champ and S-7 have been on my mind for a few years.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:34 AM
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....after (1) day of this marketing survey document being live, I have been contacted by (44) people saying they are ready to order right now if Van's offered this.

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(in an email overnight) "I enjoyed your RV15 article today. I'm not an RV builder but I am looking at the Rans S6ES taildragger (pic) to build in the near future.

You must have been reading my mind when you wrote that article. I've been searching for an all metal pop rivet high wing taildragger that meets the light sport aircraft requirements. Do you know how many kit built airplanes there are like this, maybe 4 or 5. I would think there could be a real opportunity for someone to jump in and start a kit plane such as the RV15 that you purpose.

Having said that, you can count me in as a customer. I hope you get 250 names to present to Van's and they can see the opportunity here."

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Old 03-03-2012, 07:13 AM
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I am in. A J3 version would be great. There are a few folks producing these today but 100K plus for this aircraft is hard to accept. If Vans could develop a J3 type kit under 50K with engine options similar to those on the J3 type certificate it would be a hit.

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Old 03-03-2012, 07:16 AM
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44 folks interested? Ah heck Doug, I can beat that. I'll just propose a $10,000 price point, the orders will roll in, and maybe Cessna will build it.

I keed, I keed!

Seriously, at $17,500 for everything needed to fly there will be plenty of interest. However, I doubt the price point for new components (including engine and accessories) in kit form.

A Onex is the same bill of materials and kit production process as your proposal. Check the prices:

http://www.sonexaircraft.com/kits/pr...#completecosts

My buddy Stan (my RV-1 wheelpant co-conspirator) has one on order. With options like nikasil cylinders and reality issues like shipping the total is going to be $28~$30K ready to fly.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:43 AM
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the climate factor for some of us. While the idea of wind blowing in your face, and an open cockpit with doors optional sounds like a lot of fun, those of us that live in certain parts of the country would be lucky to be able to enjoy a machine like this much more than 2 months out of the year. If that much. The fun vanishes very quickly when you're freezing your bunns off. At least it would for me. I gave up motorcycle riding years ago for this very reason. I don't know... maybe I'm too much of a fair weather person. Anybody else feel this way?

So no matter how economical it might be to build and fly, I think if I had one it would be sitting in the hanger most of the year. Makes it hard to justify spending even a modest amount of money on one. I like the idea, though, Doug!
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:44 AM
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Sorry Doug, I guess I just don't get it. Is it the aluminum covering? The Van's Brand/data plate? The price point (which seems very low, almost unrealistic, IMO).

Why not buy/build a Kolb or similar? Regardless, the engine seems to drive the price.

Disclaimer: very little research, cursory really, more a gut feeling.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:53 AM
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Default This is a DR1 not an RV15...

Best of luck reviving ultralights but this sure is NOT an RV and there is no way to introduce the concept of Total Performance in the idea. If Van offers a high wing bush plane (hope) it better carry the theme of Total Performance in the design... the market is pretty saturated with 'modern' super cubs already though so it is probably not going to happen. I am considering building a Rans S7 to complement the RV someday.
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:57 AM
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...Yes there are several on the market as I pointed out above, even more if you take into account wood based designs or tube and fabric. None of them say Van's...
There are more than "several" inexpensive, low and slow types on the market - there are dozens and dozens. Most are well proven, with many, many examples flying. What value does the Vans "brand" bring to this market segment?

The current RV's are popular because compared to their contemporaries, they are inexpensive, easy to build and fly, and perform well. But it is going to be very hard to leverage that competency in a market that is defined by cheap, simple to build and slow.

While it is clear that there are some on this site who are loyal to Van with a fervor that borders on religious extremism, I'd say Van has little chance in any return on his investment. The market is simply too flooded with good flying existing designs. Anybody who wants cheap and slow flying can get one today.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:27 AM
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@Doug,

I really, really want to send that email, but I am in the middle of a 7 build and couldn't see taking on another project at the moment. Had something like this been available 5 years ago, I would already be flying it and would have also bought my 7 kit as soon as the 15 was completed. I would love to be flying a high-wing single-seat right now, while I am building, instead of renting the Citabria for $118/hr.

Another business argument you might present is that there are a lot of guys who will naturally work their way up the model line. Cessna has used this business model successfully for decades.

Oh, and I don't understand all the guys saying that your single-seat airplane concept should have two seats. That seems counter-intuitive.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:54 AM
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Default Murphy Maverick

I hate to spoil the fun, but the aircraft has already been designed and is in production. It's called a Murphy Maverick. Remember Murphy from Chilliwack British Columbia? The Renegade, Rebel, Elite and Moose? Well, they also did a Maverick. Two seat, side by side, high wing, pop riveted aluminum (partial fabric covered wings), 400 lbs empty, 950 lbs gross, 65 hp. Take the doors off and the visibility is better than a Cub. Take one of the seats out and it's a single seater. Now let's see the orders flow in.

http://www.pattersonaerosales.com/Ai.../Maverick.html

[ed. Too many seats, too big, not an RV, and since they don't list a price...I'm guessing too expensive! Pretty though... ;^) dr]
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