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Old 02-10-2012, 01:58 PM
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What a bummer. Runwayfinder was an easy to use, practical flight planning tool. I'm hoping Dave's expertise will find it's way into some of the other products we use (or will use...hint, hint, ). I use Skyvector but it's just not as good. This is what happens when a lawyer becomes an owner of a software company. The competition gets forced out of business, and we are all the worse for it. As far as I'm concerned, ASA is down there with JPI for similar reasons.

P.S. I'm needing a new logbook, and I'm shopping around because I don't want one that has "ASA" on it. Just having it in my flight bag would make me airsick before I leave the hangar.
Not quite sure why you are linking ASA to FlightPrep. They are not the same company nor run by the same people. FlightPrep and its owners are no one I would ever care to talk to, let alone do business with for sure!! Not sure why you are talking about ASA.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:06 PM
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Sounds like he had a hobby that we all liked... Then he dealt with legal issues, now the impending AeroNav fees, and the last bit does seem like he can't transfer/sell ownership. So...time for him to move on.

I really love runwayfinder, but I can't fault Dave for finally walking away from what has likely become a time/stress/money hole.


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Not sure why you are talking about ASA.
"FlightPrep co-founder Roger Stenbock authors aviation training videos that are sold by ASA." per FlightPrep. And I think there was some other connection, but I don't remember.

There is a like a 100 page thread on it here where it's all hashed WWAAAYYY out though.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:09 PM
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I can't believe the genius' at Flight Prep weren't smart enough to hire Dave and expand his software. Too busy chasing court dates I guess. What a pathetic way to make a living.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:21 PM
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Sounds like he had a hobby that we all liked... Then he dealt with legal issues, now the impending AeroNav fees, and the last bit does seem like he can't transfer/sell ownership. So...time for him to move on.

I really love runwayfinder, but I can't fault Dave for finally walking away from what has likely become a time/stress/money hole.




"FlightPrep co-founder Roger Stenbock authors aviation training videos that are sold by ASA." per FlightPrep. And I think there was some other connection, but I don't remember.

There is a like a 100 page thread on it here where it's all hashed WWAAAYYY out though.
I am aware of the previous threads concerning FlightPrep. I contributed some to them myself. [edited: personal attacks deleted] I just find it difficult to punish a company (ASA) that only has a passing connection due to some "consulting" type of arrangement [yep, did it again...] You might as well boycott Ford Motor Company because they were a parent company to the company that manufactured the car that a certain Kennedy was driving when a certain tragic event occurred many years ago. That does not make sense at all to me.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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[deleted quotes with statements that violate forum rules; S. Buchanan]

Not the same at all (and bordering on some needless political statements...)...

Ford has no choice who buys it cars.

ASA can choose who it partners with for business.

People boycott advertisers of TV "news" shows and such all the time to make their point about the political (or other) positions of the TV show. Sometimes effective, sometimes not...but it's one way to hit the network in the wallet (and let sponsors know that *they* are affected as well).

I have managed to avoid ASA products since the whole patent garbage started, and will do my utmost to continue to do so. And I've told them why. And told FP that I will *never* use or purchase their products.

Perhaps if enough pilots said and did the same, ASA might cease their affiliation with these patent trolls. Then I could buy their merchandise again.

(And if anyone knows of a good alternative for their airframe, engine, prop, avionics log books, I'm all ears...thanks!).

Patent trolling is a ****-*** way to "earn" your money, and affects entire industries negatively. It's greedy, and in my opinion, unethical.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:36 PM
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Sorry, I didn't really mean for that to sound like I was arguing with you... More for anyone else who wanted to jump in, to read in more detail before we rehashed it all again.

But I bet we will anyway.

So.. I would have liked for ASA to suspend the Stenbock product line after/during the FlightPrep debacle though...that is a choice they can make in real-time vs. past affiliation. ASA still chooses to enrich Stenbock by their choice to continue selling his products. They could choose not to. I wouldn't hold it against them that they used to.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:49 PM
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I think the focal point here is really AeroNav - not so much FightPrep. The AeroNav fee changes seem to be more of the common denominator than the patent wars (which are probably being waged more quietly).

Specific to the AeroNav fees -

Runway Finder is going away.

Nacomatic is gone.

Chartbundle is going. (http://sdwflying.blogspot.com/search...&max-results=7)

For now, PDFPlates.Com, FltPlan.Com and NavMonster.Com are still chugging along. It's still unclear how the fee changes are going to affect them.

On the electronic front, I'm really hoping Naviator hangs in there.

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Old 02-10-2012, 03:33 PM
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Trying to get this tread back to the positive.
Runway finder has been a favorite of mine for many years. That was even before i knew it was a product of a fellow RVator. I wish Dave success or fun in his next hobby and hope it causes less headaches in the end.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:23 PM
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This has been a favorite of mine. Runway finder has been appreciated.

I hope Dave has a good transition to something he likes in the future.
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Old 02-10-2012, 06:41 PM
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Does anyone know the actual terms/fees for accessing the FAA data? The excuse for the fees is that they are trying to recover costs of making the data available on line (highly questionable, but the likely real causes are another discussion).

I wonder if there isn't a really easy solution. If the FAA is basically charging by download, allowing the purchaser to distribute/resell the data with no additional payments to FAA, then the obvious solution is for the pilot community to go to an organization like Google. I'll bet that they would gladly pay the access fee, just to be able to place a few ads on the free download pages we (and the flight planning services) would go to to get the data.

Same principle would apply if a couple of alphabet aviation organizations (hint hint) got together & paid the fees out of member dues & then put them out there via Bit Torrent.

This would very easily sidestep the real reason the fees have suddenly appeared.

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