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Old 09-30-2011, 03:06 PM
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Default G3X vs Skyview

So I am about ready to have the money for my glass cockpit and am struggling between the Skyview and the G3X.

I have my instrument rating and while I do not seek out hard IMC to fly in I plan on using my plan for IMC flights.

My concern on the G3X is lack of a dual ADHARS so worried about redundancy, but the G3X has a ton of other features I like over the current Skyview system.

I know leaving the doors open for feedback / suggestions is sometimes dangerous on here but would love to hear some thoughts of those flying with either system in IMC and if they added backups to the G3X system or not.

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Old 09-30-2011, 03:30 PM
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:47 PM
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Default G3X with a Dynon D6 Backup?

For IFR I believe in a back-up attitude, airspeed, and altimeter. i do not believe there is a difference between "hard" IFR and "light" IFR. It is or it ain't. Why not go with a g3X with a Dynon D6 as the backup?
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:42 PM
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Consider 2 or 3 G3Xs and a Trutrak GX autopilot with its ADI for the IFR. Then just learn and stay current on one system. Yes, you still need AS & Alt backup of some kind. The tricks the G3X is doing now is, in some ways, as or more capable than the G1000.
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Old 09-30-2011, 08:18 PM
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i do not believe there is a difference between "hard" IFR and "light" IFR. It is or it ain't.
Absolutely correct!

Complete dual redundancy throughout your glass cockpit systems would be nice in an ideal world, but not necessarily essential. These systems have a very high reliability, especially when you compare them to the IFR stuff of yesteryear.

However you absolutely must have backup attitude/airspeed/altitude somehow, somewhere (with alternate power available for the attitude). This should be sufficient to keep you the right way up if it all turns to poop, and if you can stay the right way up and the right speed/altitude with a primary system failure, you should be able to salvage something out of the situation.

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Old 09-30-2011, 10:52 PM
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Providing "survival" redundancy is pretty easy with the G3X. The GX Pilot autopilot (which is designed to work perfectly with the G3X) will keep you upright and fly the airplane just fine if the G3X ADHARS were to die. If you want to manually fly in that case, then adding a D10A or an ADI Pilot (or the new Gemini from Tru Trak) will give you a THIRD "platform" in the airplane.

Many of us have flown a lot of IMC with a single vacuum pump, steam gauges, and no autopilot (single pilot) for years, but with the availability of autopilots these days (and the great package pricing you can get), there isn't a lot of reason to build an IFR airplane without one - and if you buy one with it's own attitude platform, that gives you plenty of redundancy right out of the box.

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Old 12-22-2011, 04:04 PM
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The tricks the G3X is doing now is, in some ways, as or more capable than the G1000.
I am currently trying to decide between Dynon and G3X. Could you please elaborate on the G3X "tricks"?

I am looking at a 2 10" screen Dynon system vs a 3 screen G3X with a vacuum attitude indicator as backup for both systems.

I like the bigger screen on the Dynon as I am thinking the G3X is a bit narrow.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:11 PM
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I am currently trying to decide between Dynon and G3X. Could you please elaborate on the G3X "tricks"?

I am looking at a 2 10" screen Dynon system vs a 3 screen G3X with a vacuum attitude indicator as backup for both systems.

I like the bigger screen on the Dynon as I am thinking the G3X is a bit narrow.
Probably want to add a DG and a turn coordinator too!
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:18 PM
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Lately I have been flying a bunch of different panels. I have the 3 screen G3X/XM with D6 backup and GX A/P in my 10. I also have the 430W, SL30, GTS800, ps9000 and GTX330(ES) so the ads-b is there. I have flown it IFR a little and feel really comfortable in it. Of course I have a bias opinion but after flying a lot of stuff I really do like the G3X and the capabilities. It is insane how much cheaper this system is than certified panels that have less capability. I haven't flown behind the skyview but like it more than the current corporate stuff I'm in. I agree with dfechter, It seems easier to use and by far cheaper than the G1000.
I was worried about the screen size but it is literally right in front of your face. All the wider screens have is more background. All the important stuff is there.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:21 PM
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For IFR I believe in a back-up attitude, airspeed, and altimeter. i do not believe there is a difference between "hard" IFR and "light" IFR. It is or it ain't. Why not go with a g3X with a Dynon D6 as the backup?
So you don't set personal minimums? IFR is IFR, right?
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