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11-23-2011, 08:20 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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I kept a traditional 6 pack with the Dynon as the AH because I liked the look and glass was just starting to be proven at that time. To me, all glass just didn't look right. I know, times are changing, and you can get glass with a six pack look right on the screen.
I still find that my scan carries me through the six pack just like it always has which gives me multiple cross checks. It also hinders me from truly using my glass.
Totally uneccessary today, I agree.
I still don't like the look of many of the "all glass" panels. They either look way to messy, busy, and unbalanced, or way to skimpy with lots of open panel space. It takes some real thought to get the panel to look right in my opinion. Some get it right, but most just dont look good to my eye.
That is just me.
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11-23-2011, 09:22 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Elkhart, Indiana
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Originally Posted by JonJay
I kept a traditional 6 pack with the Dynon as the AH because I liked the look and glass was just starting to be proven at that time. To me, all glass just didn't look right. I know, times are changing, and you can get glass with a six pack look right on the screen.
I still find that my scan carries me through the six pack just like it always has which gives me multiple cross checks. It also hinders me from truly using my glass.
Totally uneccessary today, I agree.
I still don't like the look of many of the "all glass" panels. They either look way to messy, busy, and unbalanced, or way to skimpy with lots of open panel space. It takes some real thought to get the panel to look right in my opinion. Some get it right, but most just dont look good to my eye.
That is just me.
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No, it's not just you, Jon. I'm the same way. I'm sure that the information that units like the G3X provide is incredible, but it's more than I want or need and, like you, they look blah to me from an aesthetic perspective.
Were I to re-do my panel, I'm not sure what I'd get. But whatever I would do, it would be SYMMETRICAL! I really like looking at my panel because it is, to me, aesthetically pleasing -- as well as complete for my needs.
I guess old farts like me just like to see a few round dials. 
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11-23-2011, 10:00 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
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When I was planning my panel, I was thinking of two different brand EIFS/Glass for redundancy. Then two things happened
There was a report for a plane (I believe certified) with no steam gauges and only redundant Glass panel which had an electrical melt down that lost all power to both EIFS.
The second thing that gave me pause, was that in case of discrepancies, which EIFS was I going to trust since they are based on programming/MEMS and far more complicated than a standard gauge.
Since my panel was going to be for IFR, I added airspeed, altimeter, wet compass and an attitude/turn coordinator. My EIFS is redundant, including the AHAR/Magnetometer but I am at much more ease that I know my airspeed/altimeter will not be subject to any failure other than pitot/static.
If I build again, I will have a set of steam gauges again.
DSC_6147 by bavafa1, on Flickr
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11-23-2011, 10:26 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Ridgecrest, CA
Posts: 432
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Panel Design
-8A with 120 hrs. AFS 4500 with back-up airspeed, altimeter and VSI. Tru Trak ADI II. 7000+ hours flying steam gages.
Maybe it's habit - but I find myself using the AFS 4500 for nav and airspeed, but the back-up gages for altitude and VSI. Use the AFS for airspeed in the pattern since it's more in the FOV.
Good thread - just for grins I'm going to try to wean myself toward the AFS for everything. I'm probably too old to change, though.
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11-23-2011, 10:37 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Originally Posted by pvalovich
Maybe it's habit - but I find myself using the AFS 4500 for nav and airspeed, but the back-up gages for altitude and VSI. Use the AFS for airspeed in the pattern since it's more in the FOV.
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I am suffering from the same habit, even though I have covered the altimeter with a sticky note to force myself to go with the EIFS as primary, the old habit kicks in once the sticky note is removed.
All other flight information comes from the EIFS though.
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11-23-2011, 10:51 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Boise, ID
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Airspeed indicator. Nothing easier to comprehend at a glance than a round gauge with a needle over a scale visible end-to-end. Next, an altimeter, but immediate comprehension isn't so critical. Regarding failure, if you have a turn coordinator in a device separate from the EFIS, you have a "partial panel" if the EFIS dies. It can still save your bacon.
Detroit tried digital speedometers, which is the same presentation in an EFIS. The public screamed. Good bye digital.
John Siebold
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11-23-2011, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Salmon Arm, BC
Posts: 933
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Backup?
GPS
Provides altitude and groundspeed and has internal power.
A few months ago I proved to myself, out of necessity, that I could get the airplane on the ground without an ASI. Made a good landing too, probably because I was concentrating a little more than normal.
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11-23-2011, 01:12 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
Posts: 2,182
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I frequently fly an RV-8 that has nothing but a glass panel. It makes me a bit nervous not having at least a backup mechanical airspeed indicator, since as long as I know my airspeed I know I can land the plane, so I always carry a portable GPS with me in case the Dynon EFIS quits or I lose all power to it. The handheld GPS will give me a groundspeed reading that'll probably get me close enough to a proper landing speed on final. It won't be the prettiest landing, but it'll work.
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Airplaneless once again...
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11-23-2011, 01:20 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: na
Posts: 1,457
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I frequently make a mental note of my trim position vs airspeed and this gets me within +-5mph when I purposefully fly without reference to A/S - although you have to have a light touch and trust the airplane to do its thing.
I find this much easier with an aft CG in the -8 (for obvious reasons).
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11-23-2011, 02:46 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Sandwich, MA
Posts: 28
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I will now invite a little abuse. What can be better than this?
http://glasspilot.com/wp-content/upl...na182panel.jpg
Armed with a handheld radio and perhaps a handheld gps, I don't see what you couldn't get yourself out of day or night while IFR. I plan to duplicate something similar in my -10 unless someone can talk me out of it.
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