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11-17-2011, 06:22 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Marietta, GA (KCZL)
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I considered the Velocity, the Sportsman 2+2, and the -10 and the 10 won for me due to the community, completion rate, and the perception of metal work being more enjoyable than composite work.
The Velocity looks awesome so if it had better takeoff/landing performance it might have tipped the scale. I loved the "baby starship" comment. Never heard that before.
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11-17-2011, 07:06 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hicks Airfield, Fort Worth,Texas
Posts: 1,728
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mission
I had a need for a bigger hauler and considered the RV10, Bear Hawk, & Murphy Moose. I have two home builts, a RV8 and a Super Cub.
Decided that building was going to take too long, I was 63 then. Two years ago I bought a Cessna 180J. It does the job and I did not have to wait 2 years to build. Wrote a ck and flew it home. Flown it 244 hours since then. It has been the best decision for me.
Your milege my vary.
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11-17-2011, 07:36 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Novato, CA
Posts: 319
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SUV's of the air
Since Jay's already committed heresy I'll admit we have a Piper Saratoga for the Family-Vacation trips. We have 1/2 an RV-6 for the Mazda Miata trips.
I have a spreadsheet dedicated to justifying trading the Toga for an RV-10 and (assuming I buy one built) the pay off is so far out we can't make it work. I got an insurance quote from A...co for a hypothetical -10 and it was more than the Toga (assuming little time in type)! For a Velocity you might want to call the insurance company first to avoid a big surprise.
Our Toga is a hauler and has carried a kitchen sink, cooktop, and lots of big dogs. The annuals are what kills me. And I do as much work as I can on it.
Neil
Toga, RV-6(?2), Murphy Renegade(?4)
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11-17-2011, 08:03 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: somewherville
Posts: 160
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Originally Posted by AllThumbs
Our Toga is a hauler and has carried a kitchen sink, cooktop, and lots of big dogs. The annuals are what kills me. And I do as much work as I can on it.
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there was a guy looking for partners on a turbo 'toga locally. What a great airplane but just can't stomach the 20GPH. Man it'll haul anything.
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11-17-2011, 08:23 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ridgeland, SC
Posts: 2,589
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about 6 years ago-
I took some hoses to Velocity in FL for a customer. I left pretty quick.
Tom
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11-17-2011, 09:24 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 963
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That's a toughie...IMHO...
I seriously looked at the Velo SE/FG for a long time. No trips to the Idaho back country (bummer) in the Velo.
Lot's more room in the Velo than the 9/7 especially for baggage etc. If the new request by the EAA/AOPA ever goes through the Velo SE would qualify (so would the 9/7) XL and 10 wouldn't.
I rode/flew a friends first generation Velo SE and really liked the way it handeled - especially in rough Texas summer air. Of course I hadn't been in an RV at that point.
If I was looking at the XL vs the 10 I'd lean toward the 10. I'd think the 10 would definitly win the the build times race especially quick-build vs quick-build. After starting the Cozy MK IV I think we like the alum construction (Van's kits - tab a into slot b) better than composite plans built. The epoxy we used went to Haz-Mat status (probably for a reason)
I know I keep hearing from the alum folks how the slower speed of the RV is more survivable but I've seen people walk away from crashed canards that probably wouldn't in their alum cousins in the same situation. The composite structure is stronger. The alum structure lighter. Each has their pluses depending on the situation. Just something to think about.
The control feel in a canard is more sensitive (according to friends that have flown both). The canard varients are really finger sensitive with a much shorter throw than a stick (even a Van's RV). So I can see where it would take longer to get used to smooth flying in a canard than possibly an RV (just a guess).
My dream was always a quasi 4 passenger (2 plus lot's of baggage/golf clubs, etc). I was one of the many that begged Van's for a 4 passenger and then life changed enough that I just couldn't afford it. Now I'm begging for the Van's equivilant of the Velo SE (2+ & baggage based upon using a 360 up front).
Support, resale and did I mention support all go to the RV's. Others have support including factory but it's hard to match the factory AND this forum with anything else!
Bob
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11-17-2011, 10:07 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
Posts: 1,798
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I didn't think about insurance... and a production plane is out of the question (unless I start making a LOT more money). Resale of the -10 vs the Velo is also a fantastic point.
Lot of good discussion points on here. Obviously a lot of bias towards the RV-10. SURPRISE! What I would be curious of, is a cost and time analysis between the 2 over a given trip. Say two adults, two kids, 100#'s of bags, 1000nm trip.
Av8Tom, I bet Burt Rutan would argue (as would I) about the inherent safety of the design. How many stall/spin accidents have canards been in, and how many inflight break ups have there been (look at the G loading of the Velocity)? Conversely how is a landing accident due to poor airspeed management in a canard design any different than a traditional airplane? If you stall on final or in the flare, you come down either way. Same with the Lancair 320/360. It lands fast due to design and smaller horiz stab, get slow and suffer the consequences, it's not the planes fault if you don't color inside the lines.
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11-17-2011, 10:41 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 1,499
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I had planned on my own little spaceship
Until the -10 was unveiled.(I still favor the velocity or any canard for looks)
I started our -10sb 12/1/2009. I am hopping on a jet to Fl in 3 hrs for transition training with David Maib, first flight very shortly after Thanksgiving. We did everything but cloth seat covers...all in 2000 hrs and less than 2 yrs.
I bet I would not even be on the panel yet if I had chosen the spaceship. Oh and insurance for a 140 pilot, don't even want to think about it.
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11-17-2011, 10:41 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 211
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bags
Don't think you could really get 100-lbs of bags into the Velocity volume wise. It's pretty tight back there, not to mention the awkward loading- no baggage door! Much more space in the -10 for bags and easy to load. Agree with Phil- not comfortable for me (I'm tall) in the Velo, and strange seating position for me.
Dwight
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11-17-2011, 11:19 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: somewherville
Posts: 160
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig600
I didn't think about insurance... and a production plane is out of the question (unless I start making a LOT more money). Resale of the -10 vs the Velo is also a fantastic point.
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I have been watching the velo prices for awhile, compared to the 10 geeze, it seems you can get a basic velocity for not much more than the kit price. Maybe a little exaggeration there but you get my point.
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