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11-11-2011, 01:47 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Mike, I have about 1600 hours in a 6A. No concerns.
I do not land on grass strips.
I have seen the results of one 6A flipover. Reportedly bungled approach with hard landing on nosewheel first.
The plane did not flip under it went off the runway and contacted softer dirt. Plenty of scrapping on the runway before that.
Last edited by Ron Lee : 11-11-2011 at 01:50 PM.
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11-11-2011, 02:05 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Originally Posted by plehrke
He sold the RV-9A and bought a Cirrus. So far has not damaged the nose gear on it.
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This is all about training, practice, and technique. Any nosewheel can be damaged, just like any taildragger can be ground looped. Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence with technology.
John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA
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11-11-2011, 04:11 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Big Sandy, WY
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Cool! A Cirrus with LongEZ nose gear.
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11-11-2011, 05:55 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 738
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Clark
This is all about training, practice, and technique. Any nosewheel can be damaged, just like any taildragger can be ground looped. Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence with technology.
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+1. Well said.
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Chino, CA
RV-8A,180/CS/Carb, AFS 4500 EFIS/EMS
RV-6, sold, 820 hrs of fun.
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11-11-2011, 10:08 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: KSLC
Posts: 4,021
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Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence with technology.
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I'm not thinking +1. I'm not sure of exactly what the thought line is. Is it to forget about anti-splat bars for nosewheels, or dismissing technology such as GPS in favor of old school?
L.Adamson
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11-11-2011, 11:37 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: I live in on the Rosamond Skypark (CA) and am married to Victoria (Tuppergal).
Posts: 982
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Two words: Power Management  Many thanks to Dan Checkoway for shooting this video! Rosie
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Rosamond Skypark (L00), CA
RV-6A, 4200+ hours since 7/4/2000
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11-11-2011, 11:43 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Originally Posted by L.Adamson
I'm not thinking +1. I'm not sure of exactly what the thought line is. Is it to forget about anti-splat bars for nosewheels, or dismissing technology such as GPS in favor of old school?
L.Adamson
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I didn't say anything about dismissing technology, my point is that many people are relying on technology to "save them" from problems that could be corrected by training and currency.
The anti-splat modification is a case in point. If it does work as promised, it could add to the margin of safety of a competent pilot. My issue is the person that installs the mod and feels that the nosewheel is now invincible. And no, that isn't an exaggeration, I have heard that logic expressed.
John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA
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11-11-2011, 11:48 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Originally Posted by Rosie
Two words: Power Management  Many thanks to Dan Checkoway for shooting this video! Rosie
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Ah! A picture is worth a thousand words. Nice Rosie, very nice!
John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
EAA Flight Advisor
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA
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11-11-2011, 11:57 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 617
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Clark
Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence with technology.
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Well, I'm a low time pilot, who is human. Yes, I have done some dumb things, learned from them, and moved on. I'm also building an RV-9A and I'm willing to trade off a little performance (speed, weight, climb) for some forgiveness.
I owned a Skyhawk, and was landing in a pretty heavy cross-wind (I learned to fly at VNY so I'm pretty used to cross-wind) and all of a sudden, NO WIND! My plane was about 10 ft above the runway, and it just fell. YIKES! FULL POWER and go around! Even with my lighting fast reflexes, I bounced once. But guess what? The Skyhawk forgave me. No wrinkled firewall, no bent landing gear and no prop strike.
I guess I'm willing to pay a little extra, and give up a little performance to get that "Get out of Jail Free" card.
BTW: A TR-2 had a similar incident at Marysville, and was not forgiven. Prop strike and bent landing gear. Maybe they fell farther than me tho.
Dkb
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11-12-2011, 01:37 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia, QLD
Posts: 41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Clark
Bluntly, I'm getting tired of people trying to fix incompetence
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BIG -1 for me
At the end of the day I think it's a very week link and needs to be fixed.
Stuff happens and there should be some margin...
I would rather drive a car with air bags then the same car without if I had a choice, especially if I have family in the car.
Doesn't mean I am a bad driver, because some days things go pear shape.
Its like car insurance. Just because I feel like I am a good driver doesn't mean I don't need it..........
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Justin (JAY)
RV7 #72135
Under construction
Australia, QLD
Last edited by chevy : 11-12-2011 at 01:40 AM.
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