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11-04-2011, 06:22 PM
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Double Standards?
So I ran across this video found in this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhYaDFLDoEQ
It was of particular interest to me because it was filmed in my "backyard"... The low flying sequences are over areas I fly every day. Though I avoid buzzing stretches of roadways, I have certainly buzzed much of the same exact real estate shown in the video. Then it struck me that if any member of the board had actually filmed the same sequence in an RV and posted it on this site they would have been booted from the board or almost certainly would have taken plenty of arrows from some of you... There certainly would have been plenty of discussion concerning risk/reward, etc, etc...
Yet when Burt does it, it's a marketing video.
Any comments on this apparent disparity?
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11-04-2011, 06:50 PM
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Not double standard but evolving standard
Knowledge and attitudes about the risks associated with that type of flying have changed over the 30 years since that video was shot.
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11-04-2011, 06:56 PM
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I think Doug boots "illegal" flying videos and such. [ed. That is correct. dr] So some low level work through the Mohave should be ok, IMO.
Foolish aircraft accidents are not cool. Flying RV's around like spam can's without exploring at least some of the quality flying traits, also not cool.
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11-05-2011, 07:31 AM
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Flying?
What gets me are the sideburns / Mutton chops!!!!
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11-05-2011, 07:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roee
Knowledge and attitudes about the risks associated with that type of flying have changed over the 30 years since that video was shot.
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If we are talking about public perception only, then I am inclined to agree. We as pilots are looked upon with suspicion and distrust more than ever, so buzzing a lonely stretch of road was likely more acceptable back then.
However, if we as pilots are discussing increases in physical risks associated with a particular flying activity, I don't think we were any less aware back in the mid 80's than we are today. After all, the ground was just as hard, and power lines were just as difficult to see back in 1985 as they are today.
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11-05-2011, 07:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toobuilder
There certainly would have been plenty of discussion concerning risk/reward, etc, etc...
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You say that like it's a bad thing.  I learn a lot about flying on this board and others like the RV List. Of course, I tend to pay attention to some pilots -- Kevin Horton, for example -- more than others. But anything that gets me thinking about safely flying an airplane is a good thing, and browsing the NTSB accident reports after entering the keyword "RV" tells me that we're not doing it too much.
Whether there's some sort of double standard is irrelevant to me.
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11-05-2011, 09:25 AM
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What gets me are the sideburns / Mutton chops!!!!
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Back around 91 we were going to cut out a bunch of velcro muttonchops and sell them at Osh under the "Sideburts" label. Then I got laid off and wound up here so it didn't happen. I really wanted to see 500 people walking around wearing them.
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11-05-2011, 10:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toobuilder
If we are talking about public perception only, then I am inclined to agree. We as pilots are looked upon with suspicion and distrust more than ever, so buzzing a lonely stretch of road was likely more acceptable back then.
However, if we as pilots are discussing increases in physical risks associated with a particular flying activity, I don't think we were any less aware back in the mid 80's than we are today. After all, the ground was just as hard, and power lines were just as difficult to see back in 1985 as they are today.
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I disagree. It's not just the public's perception that has changed, but also perceptions and attitudes among pilots. It's not that the ground got any harder or the power lines any more difficult to spot. The dangers were just as real then. Rather, it is that there is a) a greater awareness today in the aviation community that low level maneuvering is a very high risk activity, and b) there's a more safety conscious culture today in the aviation community that is less tolerant of high risk taking.
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11-05-2011, 10:07 AM
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Not sure what the broo-ha-ha is....  Nothing they did was illegal was it? Much like ag flying. Dick and Burt know that area extremely well as they did a lot of their fun flying and photo ops in the same area, which was practically deserted back then and nobody complained. If they did it today they would have problems.
Dick Rutan flying a plane in the desert is nothing like amateurs doing low passes over airports (illegal) and rivers (potentialy very dangerous). Dick flew FAC in jets so he knows a thing or two about low level flying.
And they don't do this anymore since their new designs tend to fly a little higher.... 
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11-05-2011, 11:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roee
I disagree. It's not just the public's perception that has changed, but also perceptions and attitudes among pilots. It's not that the ground got any harder or the power lines any more difficult to spot. The dangers were just as real then. Rather, it is that there is a) a greater awareness today in the aviation community that low level maneuvering is a very high risk activity, and b) there's a more safety conscious culture today in the aviation community that is less tolerant of high risk taking.
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So if I am to interpret your statement, the facts have not changed, but our acceptance level has evolved? It is akin to being "politically correct"... Some behaviors were perfectly ok once (like driving a full size SUV), but now are not?
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WARNING! Incorrect design and/or fabrication of aircraft and/or components may result in injury or death. Information presented in this post is based on my own experience - Reader has sole responsibility for determining accuracy or suitability for use.
Michael Robinson
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RV-8 - SDS CPI
1940 Taylorcraft BL-65
1984 L39C
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