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Old 10-10-2011, 06:38 PM
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You need to figure out your own short hand that you can use. Pen and paper never fail. Something you can decipher.

For instance:

C xyz str2 ely txn af 5k 36 10a 354.3 4326

"cleared to the xyz airport, via the Starr two, EELIE transition, then as filed. On departure climb and maintain 5000, expect FL360 10 minutes after, departure 354.3 squawk 4326"

Maybe I'm just old school but for cockpit management I've never found anything better than my pencil and my kneeboard pad.
Just a question to the group. If you are cleared to your intended destination why take the time to write that bit of information down? If it is something other than what you intended then I agree that noting it is a must.

I couldn't agree more that pen, paper and practice are best suited for this job. This is one of those areas where technology is not good enough yet to step in and do it better. I do think it is an interesting idea and with the right interface it could be useful but sitting here ruminating about how to make all of the possible options available quickly in what is currently in the range of acceptable ipad interfaces I think it would be much more difficult.
Technology isn't always better, usually but not always.

Mine would look like;
str2.ely af 50/360/10 354.3 4326
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:45 PM
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Heck if I get cleared to something other than I filed for, I stop writing altogether.

Then again on day 5, leg 3, sometimes it's nice to remind myself where I'm going next.
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Old 10-10-2011, 06:53 PM
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Sort of my point.
If you filed for abc and they clear you to abd then you need to stop and clear up the problem. However if you filed for abc and for some reason you are cleared to a fix (intersection, vor whatever. Just not an airport) with an efc or something along those lines (I know, doesn't happen much but it could) then for certain if you are going to accept and fly that clearance you need to write it all down.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:30 PM
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is there nothing like this now?
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:50 PM
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Default try this instead

use your ipad to file the flight plan using fltplan.com

During preflight, say after your walk around and before starting, log back into fltplan.com and look at the clearance route.

This is usually identical to what clearance delivery, the fss, or center would give you. Get your head wrapped around that (if it was different from your filed route) and then call clearance delivery (or whatever you must)

Try it for yourself... Not sayin you HAVE to do that, I just do this for a living and it seems to work for me.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:53 PM
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What Bill said.

Works for me too. Fltplan.com is great.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:26 PM
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During those rare times when you aren't being cleared to your destination, you'll get plenty of heads up.

"N123AB, full route clearance/partial clearance/you're really not going to like this, advise when ready to copy"
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:32 AM
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Default Clearance by text message?

I always thought this was an ideal candidate for digital delivery. It's easy when you get what your expecting 'as filed', but a string of unfamiliar intersections at an unfamiliar airport seems doomed to several 'say agains'.

The ATC routing part of your clearance is sorted soon after you file and the rest of it is usually available 15 minutes before ETD. What would it take to get this e-mailed or texted to you before flight, so you could note it and read it back with confidence?

Any ATC experts care to comment if it might be viable?
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:41 AM
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Mark, This has been available for many years in the airline business. Problem is the delivery is through a VHF data link, ACARS. I imagine that the same data could be adapted to current digital delivery.

http://www.arinc.com/products/voice_...omm/acars.html

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Old 10-11-2011, 08:19 PM
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Dang Sig, you write a lot! My shorthand is down to about this on the same clearance:

S2 Ely AF 50 360/10 354.3 4326

This works well even in places I'm unfamiliar with as long as I pull the departure chart shortly after to verify I had read back the correct departure. I just couldn't imagine trying to find all those fixes and altitudes on a computer screen as CD is reading them off.

I do believe Fltplan.com can show you the clearances most often/recently given between two airports, so that may be another tool for the OP to use when filing.
Exactly my point, find what works for you!
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