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09-29-2011, 07:17 PM
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Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
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Originally Posted by RV7Guy
For the spouses, women in most cases whether they fly or not, (please don't Title 9 me, it is simply a fact,) they have as much going on as the "boys."
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Unfortunate truth here also, of a hundred houses, I can only think of 3 women who are pilots, but that will become 4 one of these days when Laura gets her ticket.
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Originally Posted by RV7Guy
When I visited the Homecoming at Independence Oregon, I loved that place. I could spend Summers there!!!!! I've been to lots of airparks. Their "sense of Community," is the best I've ever seen. Plus LOTS of Experimental activity.
I've regretted a few decisions in aviation. Buying an airpark home definitely is NOT one of them!!!!
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Amen to that Darwin, Independence is truly wonderful, I only wish our airpark was filled with the same kind of folks.
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Originally Posted by hydroguy2
one disclaimer: Homeowners associations can sometimes make a good thing feel bad. Check out any potential HOA. Go to a meeting to see how smooth things run. Ask current members how well the HOA functions. Are they dues being used appropriately? Money set-a-side for unexpected maintenance issues? or future big projects like repaving. CCR's enforced?
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Brian is 110% correct on this one.
I ended up getting on the Board of Directors, just to ensure that things would be run to the best of my ability to control.
All in all, airpark living is great 
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Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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09-29-2011, 07:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Very interesting thread. I am reading my palm and the lines say no airpark property in this life for me but it says nothing about renting  . Is it possible? Does anybody have airpark lanlord/tenant experience? It's not crazy idea, is it?
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09-29-2011, 11:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hydroguy2
one disclaimer: Homeowners associations can sometimes make a good thing feel bad. Check out any potential HOA. Go to a meeting to see how smooth things run. Ask current members how well the HOA functions. Are they dues being used appropriately? Money set-a-side for unexpected maintenance issues? or future big projects like repaving. CCR's enforced?
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Every Air park I have ever been to has some sort of HOA drama going on. It would be wise to thoroughly understand the local airport politics. Where I live the out of control HOA, decided to show up on my property unannounced and proceeded to destroy my property until my tenant called me, I kicked them off but not before a prominent board member threaten to call the police on me, for parking my car on my property, in the way of the board hired contractor. Unfortunately, the HOA board members tends to attract individuals who want to use their position to line their pocket, with HOA assessments. Another issue is proxy abuse a retired former board member wanders the airport for months before the election and collects enough proxies to pick the board. The board of directors only cares about keeping that one former board member happy and has no interest in the concerns of ordinary property owners.
The HOA inevitably hires a management company. Most management companies make the majority of their money by over charging late fees or over enforcing CCR's. About everyone at the airport hates the management company and has a horror story to tell about their arrogance and ineptitude. I bought a piece of property in September despite paying the mismanagement company over 300 in transfer fees, 40+ phone calls and dozens of emails they were unable to get the monthly billing straight until April. They tried to blame me for the mix up and collect their late fees which were as much as the monthly assessments, despite proof from my bank that the bill payments were all on time.
I have learned my lesson, I will never buy another piece of property where there is a HOA.
Last edited by yak53 : 03-29-2018 at 10:01 PM.
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09-30-2011, 04:01 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 1,686
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Originally Posted by yak53
Every Air park I have ever been to has some sort of HOA drama going on. It would be wise to thoroughly understand the local airport politics. Where I live the out of control HOA, decided to show up on my property unannounced and proceeded to destroy my property until my tenant called me, I kicked them off but not before a prominent board member threaten to call the police on me, for parking my car on my property, in the way of the board hired contractor. Unfortunately, the HOA board members tends to attract individuals who want to use their position to line their pocket, with HOA assessments. Another issue is proxy abuse a retired former board member wanders the airport for months before the election and collects enough proxies to pick the board. The board of directors only cares about keeping that one former board member happy and has no interest in the concerns of ordinary property owners.
The HOA inevitably hires a management company. Most management companies make the majority of their money by over charging late fees or over enforcing CCR's. About everyone at the airport hates the management company and has a horror story to tell about their arrogance and ineptitude. I bought a piece of property in September despite paying the mismanagement company over 300 in transfer fees, 40+ phone calls and dozens of emails they were unable to get the monthly billing straight until April. They tried to blame me for the mix up and collect their late fees which were as much as the monthly assessments, despite proof from my bank that the bill payments were all on time.
I have learned my lesson, I will never buy another piece of property where the is a HOA.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hydroguy2
one disclaimer: Homeowners associations can sometimes make a good thing feel bad. Check out any potential HOA. Go to a meeting to see how smooth things run. Ask current members how well the HOA functions. Are they dues being used appropriately? Money set-a-side for unexpected maintenance issues? or future big projects like repaving. CCR's enforced?
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Wow that's some seriously good advice! It makes my skin crawl to think I may have spent tons of money on my dream home on an airport only to find that there is mini-mafia running it behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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09-30-2011, 04:23 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Louisville, Ga
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Yep
We spent months going back and forth to an airpark near Savannah, Ga. and decided against it, after all.
Many individuals on airparks are wealthy, type A personalities and this particular airpark's HOA showed the amount of control some members want to exert! Trivial issues like, "you're 2' over your property line!" and other covenants just left a sour taste.
Probably, in all fairness, was the remote nature of this airpark, beautiful scenery and marsh views but not near any shopping/restaurants either.
Best,
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RV-10, 510 TT
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09-30-2011, 04:56 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Granbury Texas
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I believe it is true that many airparks have issues with the HOA. It is also true that many residential HOA's are no different. I recently bought property in an airpark that I had previously rented space in for years. This airpark was no different, significant problems with the HOA. Today it is running very well with very few issues. The difference is that those who had previously been unhappy got involved in their community and started working together. Living in an airpark has been my dream for many years and I will soon move in to that airpark property I purchased a few months back. Airpark property is no different than residential property, you need to get involved and make sure your property values are protected by good management, not a few people with their own agenda.
My 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by yak53
Every Air park I have ever been to has some sort of HOA drama going on. It would be wise to thoroughly understand the local airport politics. Where I live the out of control HOA, decided to show up on my property unannounced and proceeded to destroy my property until my tenant called me, I kicked them off but not before a prominent board member threaten to call the police on me, for parking my car on my property, in the way of the board hired contractor. Unfortunately, the HOA board members tends to attract individuals who want to use their position to line their pocket, with HOA assessments. Another issue is proxy abuse a retired former board member wanders the airport for months before the election and collects enough proxies to pick the board. The board of directors only cares about keeping that one former board member happy and has no interest in the concerns of ordinary property owners.
The HOA inevitably hires a management company. Most management companies make the majority of their money by over charging late fees or over enforcing CCR's. About everyone at the airport hates the management company and has a horror story to tell about their arrogance and ineptitude. I bought a piece of property in September despite paying the mismanagement company over 300 in transfer fees, 40+ phone calls and dozens of emails they were unable to get the monthly billing straight until April. They tried to blame me for the mix up and collect their late fees which were as much as the monthly assessments, despite proof from my bank that the bill payments were all on time.
I have learned my lesson, I will never buy another piece of property where the is a HOA.
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09-30-2011, 05:08 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Bartow, Florida
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airpark property
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Very interesting thread. I am reading my palm and the lines say no airpark property in this life for me but it says nothing about renting . Is it possible? Does anybody have airpark lanlord/tenant experience? It's not crazy idea, is it?
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No, its not. We leased our property for the first year, to see if we really would like it. Now the buying process is started, and we can't wait to call it "ours"!   
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Mike Bauer
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RV-3 flying
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09-30-2011, 01:34 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Wasn't going to bring up the HOA issue, but it indeed is a MAJOR factor if we ever move. What a frigging mess!
I'm with Smokey... In my opnion the only thing better than living ON an airport is OWNING the airport - alone!
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09-30-2011, 03:46 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Long Island NY / Ft Myers FL
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Airpark Living
As my wife and I were nearing retirement we started to consider airpark living in Florida. (Alright, it was mostly me) We checked out a number of airparks in southern Florida. It was a learning experience. Although there were a number of homes my wife fell in love with, we realized the community was the number one priority.
The airpark we settled on is not pretentious. Hanger homes range from the low 300s to the 500s. Owners include retired blue collar workers, teachers, construction contractors, and some doctors. Every day at 4PM one of the owners opens his hanger for happy hour that is open to all. The main topic of discussion is of course flying. Mornings we meet at another owner?s house for coffee. Our group will typically fly out on Wednesdays to Sebring, and on Saturdays to different locations for breakfasts.
Being a close knit community is like having an extended family. We all bring different backgrounds and skills to our communities which we use to help each other. Most are flying experimentals with RVs being the aircraft of choice.
I would recommend you find an airpark community that matches your personality. Check out the people that will become your neighbors. Are these the type of people you would be comfortable living with? Our choice of airpark fits us even if we were to stop flying.
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09-30-2011, 04:24 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
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Originally Posted by mark960
As my wife and I were nearing retirement we started to consider airpark living in Florida. (Alright, it was mostly me) We checked out a number of airparks in southern Florida. It was a learning experience. Although there were a number of homes my wife fell in love with, we realized the community was the number one priority.
The airpark we settled on is not pretentious. Hanger homes range from the low 300s to the 500s. Owners include retired blue collar workers, teachers, construction contractors, and some doctors. Every day at 4PM one of the owners opens his hanger for happy hour that is open to all. The main topic of discussion is of course flying. Mornings we meet at another owner?s house for coffee. Our group will typically fly out on Wednesdays to Sebring, and on Saturdays to different locations for breakfasts.
Being a close knit community is like having an extended family. We all bring different backgrounds and skills to our communities which we use to help each other. Most are flying experimentals with RVs being the aircraft of choice.
I would recommend you find an airpark community that matches your personality. Check out the people that will become your neighbors. Are these the type of people you would be comfortable living with? Our choice of airpark fits us even if we were to stop flying.
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Well said sir, very well said.
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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