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Old 09-22-2011, 03:30 PM
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@Mohammed

Replying here for the benefit of others and future searchers.

You will need drill bits as well as reamers since not all holes are match hole punched. Even on a tight budget I would recommend the reamers.

Choosing between the two yokes you should choose the 3" standard. Most of what you use a 'squeezer' for is squeezing dimples, over half of the dimples in the plane you will be doing with the squeezer. You do use it for riveting as well, but would not want only the 4" thin nose yoke as you would not be able to use it with dimple dies. All of the rivets that I mentioned could be done with a mushroom set and bucking bar. Also for the trailing edge rivets you can use... (hold your breath everyone... ) pop rivets. This will keep you from buying a thin nose yoke. The MK319 rivets that come with the kit are direct replacements for the 426-3 rivets used in these areas, most builders just prefer not to use them. (still cringing at the backlash from this statement).

We don't stock the DRDT front end kit, but can source if from EA and include it in your box to save shipping (you can send us other stuff to consolidate too). All of our kits are really just starting points and customizable to fit your needs. Unless noise is a factor you should really consider a standard c-frame tool.

Looking through the starter kit again (and for the benefit of others again) I notice the double offset 1/8" cupped rivet set. I don't recall ever using that in an empennage kit of any model. Other readers, could you chime in with your experience here. The first time that I recall that that tool is used is riveting the ribs on to the wing spar??

Finally I really don't like the drill that is in the kit. We put it in there because the the kit was designed for builders who want to spend as little as possible, but I would rather use an electric drill than that one. Either spend $150 for the Nova or $0 and use a battery operated drill.

Thanks for the discussion, I think it will help many beginners who are in your same position.

P.S. This was a fun excercise in hyperlinks, anyone that think I overdid it let me know!

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Old 09-23-2011, 10:16 AM
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@ Mike and Mo, (and all the tool store operators)
My comment to Mo yesterday about making a list of tools that are not included in the starter tool kit but are needed to complete the regular tool kits got me thinking. So I did a little research.
I checked several stores online catalogs. (Avery, Browntool, USTool, Isham, and Cleaveland to be specific) While all had what generally could be called beginner (Getting started) tool kits and of course the deluxe kits, not one of them have what I would call a "Next Step" kit. A step between the Beginners kits and the Deluxe kits that budget builders like Mo here can order down the line and not have to worry about ordering duplicate tools. Just wondering if it can be done or has been done and I haven't found it..
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:06 PM
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@Bill

That is one of the reasons that we created this Excel sheet. It is the 'Complete Kit' in Excel format so that you can customize or check off items as you acquire them. Often new builders are overwhelmed anyway and don't know where to start. Once people figure out this is not magic they start forming their own opinions about what they 'need' or meet other builders and get to see other tools in action. We give the customer the same 'kit discount' if they buy the 'upgrade' of the tools. This builder customization is the reason that we always list individual prices in the breakouts of the kits. This way you know exactly what you are paying for and how much each item is. Saying we will throw in a Cadillac for free is just marketing, nothing is free. Next 5 people to order our $60k tool kit gets a free SUV! Or order our 10,000 piece tool kit (comes with 9800 rivets). We just show you the item lists based on our experience.
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Old 09-23-2011, 11:27 PM
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Everytime I think: I have every tool ever made, I spend another $500!
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:29 AM
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Yes. I'm not building an RV. I'm outfitting a shop.
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:24 PM
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Default Adjustable set Holder

Avery has an adjustable set holder. Saves a lot of time "fiddling" with washers to get the right amount of squeezing distance.

http://www.averytools.com/products.asp?dept=37

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Old 09-24-2011, 08:51 PM
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BTW, I did use the drill stops all the time. They keep the drill from being pulled into the work and damaging it.

Get the Avery rivet squeezer as it can use the same yokes as your pneumatic squeezer. In fact, I would recommend you get the hand squeezer first and then the pneumatic squeezer if you need it. I built my entire plane with just the hand squeezer.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:52 PM
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I saved a ton of money by buying what I needed, as I needed it, on ebay.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:42 AM
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Thank you very much Mike for the valuable feedaack
I have couple of questions before I submit the order:

1) Do the dimple dies (DIE4263, DIE4264) and squeezer set (SSF1, SSF8, SSF2 & SSC4S) work with the pneumatic squeezer from Avery and their quick adust?
2) Do the air regulator (ARF1) and the swivel (ASRD14) do the same job? Are they used only w/rivet guns not with sqzr or drill?
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Old 11-04-2011, 04:44 PM
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Seems that Mike is not around.. can any of te more experianced builders help me out with those questions?
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