P-Mag installation - Help

MississippiJim · #1 09-03-2011, 07:11 PM

I am trying to finish up my dual P-Mag installation and have run into a problem, it's the weekend, and the office is closed! I hope someone can help.
The installation has gone well, and right by the book. However, when I get to the "set the timing" stage, I set the timing by blowing into the tube per instructions. Beginning with the right mag, everything is normal. Moving to the left mag, I get the blinking red light and then a blinking green light. When I turn the power off and then back on to take it out of the set-up mode, the light on the left Mag turns kind of an orange color (looks like it is cycling very fast between red and green and appears orange in color). What am I doing wrong? I have checked and double checked all connections.
Ideas anyone?

N941WR · #2 09-03-2011, 07:38 PM

Check your PM's.

Brantel · #3 09-03-2011, 07:41 PM

Did you try turning the prop after cycling power? It may be that your right on the edge of the timing point.

drill_and_buck · #4 09-04-2011, 03:56 AM

Jim,

I just experienced pretty much the same symptoms and was perplexed by the faded orange like LED. My problem was that I had an intermittent ground connection at the terminal on my left PMAG. We removed 1/4 inch of insulation from the end of the ground wire, reattached the wire to the terminal, swung the prop a few times after cycling power and timed the engine. End result was sold green LEDs at TDC.

We then removed plugs and placed them on top of the cylinders with the leads connected and performed a pull through test to confirm plugs were firing.

Prepped and started the engine without any issues.

Good luck.
Mike

MississippiJim · #5 09-04-2011, 08:48 PM

OK, after some good telephone advise from Bill R., I got it going today. Turns out I had to loosen my left P-mag and rotate it just slightly, then repeat the timing process. Worked like a charm! Thanks Bill! I ran the engine for the first time today with the P-Mags on it. It runs great, started right up, and idles smoothly. Thanks for the replies guys!

flyingriki · #6 09-05-2011, 09:58 AM

Bill is a real help with these. Hope Brad appreciates him....

When I get a second P-Mag I'll certainly buy his controller!

flickroll · #7 09-05-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MississippiJim

OK, after some good telephone advise from Bill R., I got it going today. Turns out I had to loosen my left P-mag and rotate it just slightly, then repeat the timing process. Worked like a charm! Thanks Bill! I ran the engine for the first time today with the P-Mags on it. It runs great, started right up, and idles smoothly. Thanks for the replies guys!

Why did this fix the problem? I thought P-Mags could be mounted in any orientation and you can correctly time them.

MississippiJim · #8 09-05-2011, 11:04 PM

Hi Jim,
As explained to me by Bill R., sometimes the mag just needs to be rotated "just a hair" to put it in that magic spot where it is not at a point where it is sitting on a halfway point of a tooth, or something like that. I guess you get lucky most of the time and this is not required. Mine happened to fall in the spot where it was an issue. Probably couldn't make it happen again if I tried. Anyway, it sure worked, and I was a happy boy once again. I only moved it a little bit, barely detectable. The green light then came on bold and beautiful! Really an easy fix.

rwtalbot · #9 09-06-2011, 12:37 AM

I have 250 hours on my P-Mags. From talking to the factory and looking at the software I am aware that the "resolution" on the sensor is reasonably coarse. Also there is backlash in the accessories case gears. All of this means that it is very difficult to get both units absolutely syncronised.

It is common to have one P-Mag turn green a fraction sooner than the other. I am happy as long as I can rotate the prop to a position where both P-Mags show a green light at the same time even if it looks like one is very slightly ahead. The engine runs just fine.

Pmags do not have a harness to syncronise the firing between units. Whereas some other units I have always observed that they are very similar to the Mag in that I get 125-150RPM drop during runup, increased EGT with only one operating in flight. Of course fuel flow is reduced and the starting is much easier.

I have been told that the amount of RPM drop is dependant on plugs, RPM, mixture, firing advance and any number of other things, so whilst I was hoping the engine would run just as well on one unit as on both, I am not too concerned.

Richard

RV-7A flying

flickroll · #10 09-06-2011, 06:02 AM

Thanks for the explanation guys. Makes sense.