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09-02-2011, 02:35 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri
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A long time ago, I was about 15 or 16 and bummed a ride in a C-120 from a southern Minnesota farm to Sioux City, Iowa. The occasion was to visit one of my uncles who was flying F-86D's with the Air Defense Command at that time.
It was a first flight for me. I was quite excited about the adventure but did not know what was going on except we followed roads and railroad tracks to Sioux City. When we got there, this flying farmer pilot (a family friend and neighbor) landed on the grass next to a hard surface runway where the F-86's were launching. In no time we were surrounded by lots of blue pick ups with flashing red lights and guys with guns. I just sat there rather dumb founded wondering what was going to happen next when my uncle showed up in an alert vehicle and got things squared away with all the Air Police guys. He took us in tow and probably lectured the pilot, I was to interested in watching the 86s to pay much attention. We got a tour of the operation, had lunch somewhere, and flew back to Minnesota late that afternoon. I was totally committed to becoming a pilot just like my uncle. And as a matter of personal history, did fly the F-86L about 6 years later.
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09-02-2011, 10:26 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Mesa, AZ
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Actually, that's BIGGS Field ...
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Originally Posted by Danny King
Back in my T-38 instructor days, I stopped my young air cadets, on more than one occation, from landing at Briggs AFB near El Paso, instead of the "P" field El Paso International. OBTW, as a first officer on the 727, I stopped an AA captain from doing the same thing!
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and it's where I did about 17 hrs, including solo, in a Biggs Field Flying Club Cherokee 140 before deciding that I could afford to fly or get married, but not both. In 1972, Biggs was an abandoned SAC B-52 base with about 11,000 ft runway and only a about 1.5 miles from El Paso International. It was not unusual to do three takeoffs and three landings sequentially on that runway. Nor was it rare to meet a 727 climbing out of El Paso International ... but it was exciting.
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09-02-2011, 10:42 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Sumner, WA
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Wonder if he did an overhead break?
Sorry.
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09-03-2011, 07:06 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
You never know what some people will do. When I was in the Air Force, we had a guy in a Cessna 150 @ 10,000' choose Carswell AFB for emergency landing. Carswell was a SAC base at that time. He had a BIG welcoming party at the runway.
Have any idea how many airports are within gliding distance from 10,000' over Ft Worth?
He could probably even have made his destination.
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Mel
If it was an engine failure and it had been me with a vastly long runway under me or the nearest, I wouldn't have gone anywhere else!
John
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09-03-2011, 07:32 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Camas, WA
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by boom3
Wonder if he did an overhead break?
Sorry.
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09-03-2011, 08:29 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Kalifornia
Posts: 466
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Originally Posted by rjtjrt
Mel
If it was an engine failure and it had been me with a vastly long runway under me or the nearest, I wouldn't have gone anywhere else!
John
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Abso-freaking-lutely!
Have always dreaded the day I have to set down with no power and wouldn't think twice about using the longest runway available.
Good call John.
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09-04-2011, 05:29 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Louisville, Ga
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Me too.
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Originally Posted by rjtjrt
Mel
If it was an engine failure and it had been me with a vastly long runway under me or the nearest, I wouldn't have gone anywhere else!
John
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Besides, the FAR's allow a deviation from the regs to cope with such an emergency.
Best,
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09-04-2011, 09:12 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Yep...
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Originally Posted by pierre smith
Besides, the FAR's allow a deviation from the regs to cope with such an emergency...
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..And so do the Air Force regs. "Emergency Landing" is one of the 20 or so listed reasons for use.
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09-04-2011, 09:37 AM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 377
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RV on ground at Travis update
Here is the scoop from the horses mouth.
Let me please set the record straight as I AM the pilot and aircraft owner of that RV-6 that was sitting on the ramp at Travis AFB, CA that day. I'm sure by now the telephone game of gossip has changed this story from what it is too some Hollywood celebrity breakup story. On that day in question I received a call from my squadron that they had messed up and needed me to be in the squadron that day by close of business day. As it was already in the afternoon, by the time I would have driven there it would've be too late. Yet it just so happened I was already with my aircraft and could arrive there in time if I flew. I had flown myself and this aircraft back and fourth from Northern California to Edwards AFB, CA. every weekend when I was deployed there from Travis to fly the C-5 Galaxy WBSI test program for 6 months approx over 4 years ago. So I called up Travis AFB Command Post and talked to the DO there. He approved my arrival and gave me a PPR (Prior Permission) to land. Approx an hour later I arrived parked in front of Base Ops. Took care of my squadron business and returned to Base Ops in 20 mins. A civilian asked for my DD 2400 forms which I gave him. This is where the problem lay: apparently by their regs the DD 2401 form 'Landing Permit Form' expires in the Technical Order (T.O.) that nobody every reads or knows. States this: the Landing Permit shall expire excatly one day prior to the aircrafts insurance expiration date or in two years of approval if the insurance policy is more than two years. Here's the battle, the civilian said it expired 4 years ago after that year I aquired it but I said since I had an annual renewal (and never let my insurance expire) that my DD 2401 form wouldn't expire since my insurance never expired. Thus insued chaos, MP's were called (who were really cool and loved my plane, we're getting beers later), Base Commander was called, etc. After 6 years of military service and having flown in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan with an outstanding record I would be treated better since I was one of their own, but no this is the military. Long story short, it's still being deceided what to do or how to catorgize this. So far I've been hit with an Unauthorized Landing and fine and have the entire base talking about me. It isn't my fault as my Command Post officer in charge gave me a PPR. He approved me gave me a PP number, parking spot and said see you soon. I had no idea my form expired that's his job to check before telling me I can land at his military base. I feel bad for him as he's probably getting it a whole lot worse than me. So that's the story ladies and gentleman. Check your forms if you're going to land at a military base, call ahead, make sure everythings good, ask for the persons name rank and duty phone, and be prepared to hurry up and wait as the military tries to make since of it all.
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09-04-2011, 09:45 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ponte Vedra, FL
Posts: 36
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Back in the day, mid 1980's, I was a member of the Travis aero club which had its own runway and facility located on the base. Several of our members kept there personal planes at the aero club. When the weather was bad and landing at the aero clubs runway not feasible we would use the bases larger runways. Today I live in Florida and have no idea if the aero club still exists but this could be a reasonable explanation to this situation.
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