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09-02-2011, 07:03 AM
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But what do they do when an Air Force T-38 accidentally lands on the municipal field (4,000') that is six miles away from the Air base (11,000') with the same runway alignment? Happened a few decades ago when a couple of guys broke out of the clouds, saw the LaPorte Runway 22 ahead of them (instead of Ellington's 22 which was six miles ahead) and wrestled it to the ground. They ended up in the mud off the far end and the airplane had to be trucked to Ellington for recovery. I'm guessing the the pilots had to walk alongside wearing orange reflective vests, picking up litter....
Paul
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09-02-2011, 07:34 AM
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Bonanza Bashing
Quote "He was in a Bonanza..."
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Originally Posted by Sig600
Explains that one
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Hey now... watch it... might be some RV AND Bo drivers here  !
Many years ago I did a stint in Security Police. While stationed at Seymour John AFB, NC I had the pleasure of working long hours supporting TAC and SAC. As we had an Alert Force there, the runways were "protected" assets.
On several occasions civilian aircraft would declare an emergency and land on base. Our job was to secure the taxiways as that is where they would be instructed to land. Remember the taxiways that accommodate B-52s are wider than most runways on which we are accustomed to landing.
Our next task was to surround the aircraft with weapons out until such time as the occupants were identified and determined not to be a threat.
Oh my, how I DON'T miss those days...
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09-02-2011, 09:11 AM
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: Denver area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
He was in a Bonanza... 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig600
Explains that one
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfiidon
Hey now... watch it... might be some RV AND Bo drivers here  !
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Yep, there are. I can see az_gila's post was meant in jest, but isn't the reply basically the same as the POA post that started the "RV bashing" nightmare a few weeks ago? Should we go over to the Bonanza forums and see if they have started a thread about how sanctimonious the RVers are?
Bonanzas are great planes, and depending on the mission, they have some advantages over RVs. The operating costs are the reason I fly an RV instead.
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09-02-2011, 09:27 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Originally Posted by fehdxl
...DoD Forms 2400, 2401 and 2402 are what you would need to send to the Pentagon for approval. Six weeks later with a clearance number, I'm sure you could land at a military base.
The next hurdle is may you land there? In other words, will they give you a PPR?...
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This has been my experience. For the past several years I have organized a "fly in" of sorts at AF Plant 42 in Palmdale for our company employees. Retirees, and current Guard, Reserve, AD personnel have no problem getting permission, but for the rest of us (I did 10 years in the USAF too), it is still a bit of a hassle to get the airfield manager to agree to a "legitimate need" that satisfied HIS bosses at the Pentagon. There are about 20 or so reasons listed in the regulations that allow aircraft to land on a military installation, and if you don't fit into one of those categories pretty cleanly, you're out of luck.
A civilian landing there just to check the place out is not one of those reasons.
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09-02-2011, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironflight
But what do they do when an Air Force T-38 accidentally lands on the municipal field (4,000') that is six miles away from the Air base (11,000') with the same runway alignment? Happened a few decades ago when a couple of guys broke out of the clouds, saw the LaPorte Runway 22 ahead of them (instead of Ellington's 22 which was six miles ahead) and wrestled it to the ground. They ended up in the mud off the far end and the airplane had to be trucked to Ellington for recovery. I'm guessing the the pilots had to walk alongside wearing orange reflective vests, picking up litter....
Paul
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Many years ago one of my co-workers at a regional airline landed at the wrong airport. A senior captain summed up the event very well. "I have yet to see an instrument approach procedure that ends at the wrong airport."
I'm not suggesting that one has to fly IFR, but a little backup will save having to explain your actions. "Gee Ralph, we are on short final, and the GPS says we have 5 miles to go..."
John Clark ATP, CFI
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09-02-2011, 10:10 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Wichita Falls, TX
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Sheppard AFB - W.Falls TX
Civilian airplanes routinely land at our nearby air force base every day... but then it's a joint-use airport.
Heck, on most Saturdays, the tower is closed and it reverts to class E. Just don't taxi to the big ramp at the northwest end of the field 
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09-02-2011, 10:21 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Kalifornia
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Wrong Way Pilotage....
We have had 2 Falcons land at Davis (3200') thinking they were at Yolo a couple miles away and twice as long....
The first one I saw pictures of. They yanked up the stairs and beat feet when they figured it out. The second one I watched and he never even stopped. Just rolled by and read a few things on the buildings that convinced them of the screwup. Blew a **** of a dust cloud standing on the brakes then another one when they rotated at the last second and the jet blast hit the dirt at the other end....
Must have something to do with flying French....? 
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09-02-2011, 10:52 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Lee's Summit, MO
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Bonanza Guy
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Originally Posted by Mile High Relic
Yep, there are. I can see az_gila's post was meant in jest, but isn't the reply basically the same as the POA post that started the "RV bashing" nightmare a few weeks ago? Should we go over to the Bonanza forums and see if they have started a thread about how sanctimonious the RVers are?
Bonanzas are great planes, and depending on the mission, they have some advantages over RVs. The operating costs are the reason I fly an RV instead.
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I'm a Bonanza guy and I'm offended. I could probably get over it if you chipped in a little on my finish kit
Bonanza guys aren't really that sensitive. Just ask our better half 
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09-02-2011, 11:32 AM
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Location: Sonoma County
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaAV8R
I'm a Bonanza guy and I'm offended.
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There is a support group that you can attend........ It's called.......... BA....... 
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09-02-2011, 01:20 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southlake, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironflight
But what do they do when an Air Force T-38 accidentally lands on the municipal field (4,000') that is six miles away from the Air base (11,000') with the same runway alignment? Happened a few decades ago when a couple of guys broke out of the clouds, saw the LaPorte Runway 22 ahead of them (instead of Ellington's 22 which was six miles ahead) and wrestled it to the ground. They ended up in the mud off the far end and the airplane had to be trucked to Ellington for recovery. I'm guessing the the pilots had to walk alongside wearing orange reflective vests, picking up litter....
Paul
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Back in my T-38 instructor days, I stopped my young air cadets, on more than one occation, from landing at Briggs AFB near El Paso, instead of the "P" field El Paso International. OBTW, as a first officer on the 727, I stopped an AA captain from doing the same thing!
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