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Old 08-24-2011, 06:44 PM
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I'll see what he wants to do next time we talk. He definitely has the $ to replace things... but fact of the matter is that his heart is not in this build, so he could quite frankly care less if its done "right". He just wants it finished so he can sell it and get his money back out of it at this point.
Your last quoted sentence is what prompted me to post. Although you have flown his planes, in my opinion you have to find a way of telling him how you feel. I haven't seen the build personally so I can't speak to the condition. I too have a couple of rounded holes in my spar under the Z channel spar brackets but I sent pictures to Van's and got some advice on how to handle it. You have to think how you would feel if you helped him finish the plane so he could get his money out of it and someone lost their husband and/or child in an accident after it's sold. I'm not trying to scare you and it may not be likely but it is something to think about. Whatever your decision I hope you have a good outcome.
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:55 PM
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What do I do?
Tell him his project is interfering with your project more than expected and that you'll get back to his wings after you complete and fly your airplane.

Is there a way out of this without ruining our friendship?
Probably not. It's like a bad marriage.
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:27 PM
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So I think you have been some good advice so I can't add to that.

A question for everyone.
Without causing too much thread creep here, what is the legality of someone working on a plane in exchange for the use of the other aircraft? It would be one thing if he was working with you, but it seems this is now a barter situation. Or am I reading too much into that? It doesn't seem to have started this way, but it seems to have ended up this way. How much can someone barter on a build?
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:59 PM
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Default I've reread your post a couple of times and..

it seems to me to be an issue of your friend compromising your standards. It's akin to watching a buddy steal something and you don't say anything but continue to agonize over it. The fact that you are flying his aircraft or any other benefits is no excuse for allowing someone to overwrite what you stand for. You either have standards or you don't.
If you want to have peace of mind there is only one choice: stop compromising.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:46 PM
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Simple, do what is right. If he is a real friend, it should be a non issue. A real friend would value you concern for his safety.

Put it into the proper perspective. Turn the tables. What would you want? Building mistakes are expensive.
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Old 08-25-2011, 07:50 AM
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Watch some old episodes of "The Soprano's"

Wiseguy befriends someone and does them a favor or fulfills a seemingly simple need. Then the payback comes and the payback lasts forever.



Whatever you are going to do, do it soon and get it over with. The longer you look for a solution, the longer the anguish will last.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:12 PM
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Be up front and honest. From your descriptions you could lose your friend either way... it would be better for you to lose the friend due to a disagreement rather than to lose him due to him losing his life because no one came out and told him what he is doing is wrong. Tell him your willing to help, but only if it is done right and that means starting over. Then the ball is in his court. If he can't listen to his friend and see you're looking out for him then it better that you guys part company. My $.02.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:52 PM
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Be a friend, lend him your tools, replace what he breaks and loses... BUT..do let him know your concern abou the quality and do NOT help him.

If he cant rivet, cant debur etc and cant do any part of it to a reasonable standard....this project will get stuck in the mud. It will never get finished and signed off if he is that kind of builder. Does he have a valid pilots lic...I have not met any builders who are actuall pilots who dont take the safety and quality very seriously.

That way your conscience is clear, you said what needed to be said. You are not working on it but paying back some favours by lending your tools. There is so much to building one right to completion and so many life changes that can derail it...just pray one gets him off track and you can get your tools all back. Good luck
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Old 08-26-2011, 12:38 AM
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Default Just ask.

There are a lot of concerns you have, rightfully so. I suggest saying something like" I want out because... ,what can I do to make it right? "
Then you will know what (and just exactly who) your dealing with. His opinion is the one that matters (or not). Negotiate as appropriate.
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:28 AM
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At any rate, we get 1 wing almost done, and start the second before he leaves to go back to work in Tennessee.
If you have done work on these wings, you are legally responsible for the final product, just as much as your friend. In a "joint and several" liability state, you could be on the hook for 100% of any damages in a subsequent lawsuit.

I don't know how you're going to do this exactly, but the end result has to be that these wings are never used for flight. Park them in a corner of your hangar and keep an eye on them. If he starts working on them again you're going to have to intervene. You are legally connected to this mess now.
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