RV-12 with Honda/Viking Engine Flown - Page 7

Mark Henderson · #61 08-21-2011, 08:16 PM

Dave, you are correct. But the FAA does not cite the airplane, they cite the pilot. If I claim I am flying Light sport in a LSA airplane, And I'm really not, they will cite me. There is an element that seems to want the advantages of being a LSA pilot, but want to fly faster than 120 kts and at greater than 1320 lbs. Go for it. Defending folks in court who chose not to follow the rules has provided me a good living for 30 years. I don't think that placard on the panel will do you much good when you get busted flaunting it.

N941WR · #62 08-21-2011, 08:27 PM

What is the empty weight difference between an RV-12 w/ the 912 and the Viking engine?

I met the owner of the Just Aircraft Escapade and talk to him at length about his installation, which I thought looked good but left me with some questions.

The owner mentioned that his Escapade gained a lot more weight than he would have liked compared to what it had before but he never gave me a number.

With this latest Viking RV-12 now flying, could we get a post on its empty weight?

A heavy LSA is no use to anyone and while I respect Van?s engineering staff, the RV-12 is not a plane I would like to fly over gross as so many of our RV (non RV-12) brethren do.

DonFromTX · #63 08-21-2011, 08:34 PM

Whoa there! Ever hear of the Pietenpol Air Camper? Two place with automobile engine, extremely popular at EAA start. The POBER jr Ace experimental designed by none other than Paul himself, two place experimental. MANY two place experimentals existed back then. I will NEVER "leave Paul out of it"!

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Originally Posted by sprucemoose

OK, I've sat this discussion out until now. But those who invoke PHP to justify themselves have got my dander up. Paul and the early EAAers were all about innovation, experimentation, trying new things...in their single seat homebuilts. To invoke Paul's name to justify the idea of using a 2 or worse 4 seat family hauler as a beta tester for an unproven and highly suspect design, is simply offensive, and the homebuilt equivalent of "playing the race card.". So knock it off. Argue the merits of this new engine if you want to but leave Paul out of it.

Danny7 · #64 08-21-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sprucemoose

OK, I've sat this discussion out until now. But those who invoke PHP to justify themselves have got my dander up. Paul and the early EAAers were all about innovation, experimentation, trying new things...in their single seat homebuilts. To invoke Paul's name to justify the idea of using a 2 or worse 4 seat family hauler as a beta tester for an unproven and highly suspect design, is simply offensive, and the homebuilt equivalent of "playing the race card.". So knock it off. Argue the merits of this new engine if you want to but leave Paul out of it.

i was wondering if you could define what you would consider "proven", and what exactly about the viking and rv12 that you consider "highly suspect design"?

Kyle Boatright · #65 08-21-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by N941WR

What is the empty weight difference between an RV-12 w/ the 912 and the Viking engine?

Ron, the owner, posted a week or two ago that he wasn't gonna post the empty weight.

Not that I wouldn't like to know, but it is his airplane and his choice to provide whatever information he wants to share.

N941WR · #66 08-22-2011, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle Boatright

Ron, the owner, posted a week or two ago that he wasn't gonna post the empty weight.

Not that I wouldn't like to know, but it is his airplane and his choice to provide whatever information he wants to share.

If that is the case, I would be VERY reluctant to install one of these engines without knowing the full story.

DeltaRomeo · #67 08-22-2011, 04:20 AM

http://www.vansairforce.net/rules.htm

I'm just saying....

Close to killing it.

DR

janeggenfellner · #68 08-22-2011, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by N941WR

If that is the case, I would be VERY reluctant to install one of these engines without knowing the full story.

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Jan

RDOG · #69 08-22-2011, 06:19 AM

Jan,
On the Rotax RV12 the prop has about 4 inches of clearance to the nose wheel fairing. It appears on the Viking instillation the prop and engine have been moved closer to the firewall than on the Rotax instillation. That being said. How much clearance is there between the prop and the nose wheel fairing on the Viking RV12 instillation?

David-aviator · #70 08-22-2011, 06:33 AM

Jan, you are your own worst enemy.

Put the engine on a dyno, get some hard data and publish it.

(I have pages of numbers from BPE on my Lycoming. Its all boring stuff to read, but it is there, it was done and makes good business and engineering sense)

Hire someone like Sonja Englert to go over the TV issues and publish her report.

Do that and 98% of this thread will go away, you will sell more engines, and have a lot less controversy.

None of this will cost and arm and a leg, it only makes good sense. Do it and get on with life. Otherwise the discussion will never end and it will harm the business potential of the Viking.