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08-10-2011, 09:23 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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After inspection, the E-AB and E-LSA are nearly identical besides the annuals, and the weight/speed limitations.
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I agree.
Joe
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08-10-2011, 09:32 AM
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Sport Pilot limitation
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I think if you build E-LSA, even though you might add lights and IFR instrumentation, you can't fly IFR or at night.
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That is a Sport Pilot limitation, not an aircraft limitation. An E-LSA can be flown at night or IFR if it is properly equipped (and not restricted by operating limitations) and the pilot is properly rated and current with a medical.
Joe Gores
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08-10-2011, 09:34 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Since I am an A&P the change to EAB was easy for me to make, not really proven, but it may be that resale value may be less on an EAB plane, depending on the deviation from the original.
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08-11-2011, 08:53 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Lewistown
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E-AB
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Originally Posted by Phyrcooler
I have a theory (note the choice of words) that there MAY be some added value to many second or later purchasers (of E-LSA's) who like the added "security" of knowing that it was built exactly "per-plans" using supplied parts and that in theory - there should be no surprises. I also theorize that these same specifics MAY also lead to a slightly lessor insurance cost vs. an E-AB. Lastly - for the many that have opined here on the board about the potential liabilities of selling your E-AB - I also theorize that your exposure MAY be somewhat less with an E-LSA. Ultimately this all MAY result in an increased value of an E-LSA over an E-AB. Will it be 30%? I don't think so... but I could easily see 10% to 15%.
DJ
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Sorry I am late to the conversation.
Having built and sold over thirty aircraft (READ I make dreams come true) this is something I took interest in. I totally agree. Knowing what you are buying is important. These aircraft are going to take your family on memorable trips and outings. that is what they are for! let's keep the memories positive.
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08-12-2011, 12:43 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Which brings up another thought. If one were to buy an EAB that was easily changed to become an ELSA with minor work, is is possible to do that?
Another thought, since that ELSA can be drastically altered the day after ELSA inspection, the thought that it would be worth far more because it is an altered ELSA instead of an EAB of identical original build would not appear to be an invalid assumption. Comments anyone?
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08-12-2011, 01:48 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Spruce Creek, FL
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Which brings up another thought. If one were to buy an EAB that was easily changed to become an ELSA with minor work, is is possible to do that?
Another thought, since that ELSA can be drastically altered the day after ELSA inspection, the thought that it would be worth far more because it is an altered ELSA instead of an EAB of identical original build would not appear to be an invalid assumption. Comments anyone?
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Hi Don,
I will leave question one to Mel as a DAR he should know, but my guess is no.
The major advantage of the ELSA is that any new owner can take the 16 hour course and to the annual so it would retain the additional value with any normal changes, big things like a different engine would have an effect on value but it would still be higher than a similar EAB aircraft, at least that is what the market is telling us so far.
Best regards,
Vern
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08-12-2011, 03:00 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
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Could be. I am only saying that some EAB may be so butchered up they may suffer in value, but somehow quality and final product still should make market value somewhat at least.
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08-12-2011, 03:17 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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An amateur-built aircraft can never become an E-LSA. There are only two ways to attain E-LSA status;
21.191(i)(2), has been assembled from an approved E-LSA kit, or
21.191(i)(3), has been previously issued a special airworthiness certificate in the Light-Sport category under 21.190.
Keep in mind; if an amateur-built aircraft has been modified in a way that would remove it from LSA parameters, it may still be flown by a recreation pilot or above.
If an E-LSA aircraft has had the same type of modification, it can not be flown by anyone because it's airworthiness certificate in no longer valid!
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USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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