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08-06-2011, 07:13 PM
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Repairing a friends RV
Can I legally repair a friends RV? Can I charge for this service? Can I return it to service?
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Sheridan, Wyo
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08-06-2011, 07:23 PM
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This is a job for Super DAR! Mel!
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08-06-2011, 07:25 PM
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Dave,
You didnt state what the damage was. As a repairman technically you can only sign off work on your own airplane unless the type work you are doing falls under what a pilot can accomplish IE preventative maintenance. If memory serves me right any thing requiring a major repair or alteration or will require an IA for return to service.
Ryan
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08-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wyoflyer
Can I legally repair a friends RV? Can I charge for this service? Can I return it to service?
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Anyone can legally repair an experimental amateur-built aircraft and return it to service. Charging for it may not be a good idea unless you are an A&P.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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08-06-2011, 07:34 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 131RB
Dave,
You didnt state what the damage was. As a repairman technically you can only sign off work on your own airplane unless the type work you are doing falls under what a pilot can accomplish IE preventative maintenance. If memory serves me right any thing requiring a major repair or alteration or will require an IA for return to service.
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The repairman certificate has nothing to do with repair and maintenance. It only allows the holder to complete and sign off the condition inspection on the aircraft for which it is issued. An IA is never required for anything on an experimental amateur-built aircraft.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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08-06-2011, 08:33 PM
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Thanks for the responses guys. The damage was fairly eextensive (ground loop). I'm sure I can repair it but my brother posed the questions to me. He is an A&P, and an IA and is trying tO compare certificated to experimental....always a confusing issue.
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Sheridan, Wyo
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08-06-2011, 09:58 PM
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"Return to Service"
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinkin' the words "Returned to Service" may not be appropriate for experimental aircraft.
"Found to be in a condition for safe operation" is what I see in logbooks more often. A repairman or an A&P can make this statement.
Not sure what log entry would be made by someone repairing an experimental aircraft if that person was not either a repairman or an A&P. Perhaps just a statement of work performed, with no mention of returning to service or condition.
Mel?
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08-07-2011, 12:12 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 57AZ - NW Tucson area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
Anyone can legally repair an experimental amateur-built aircraft and return it to service. Charging for it may not be a good idea unless you are an A&P.
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If anyone can do the work, what is the difference in cahrging for it?
Other than liability of course, and that could be similar with or without an A&P ticket.
I say rebuild it yourself and charge, but have an A&P look over your shoulder and sign off a conditional inspection at the end for his separate fee... 
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08-07-2011, 06:54 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCHunt
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinkin' the words "Returned to Service" may not be appropriate for experimental aircraft.
"Found to be in a condition for safe operation" is what I see in logbooks more often. A repairman or an A&P can make this statement.
Not sure what log entry would be made by someone repairing an experimental aircraft if that person was not either a repairman or an A&P. Perhaps just a statement of work performed, with no mention of returning to service or condition.
Mel?
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Yep, That's pretty much it!
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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08-07-2011, 08:50 AM
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
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Phase 1 ?
Sorry for any misinformation with my original post. Mel, would a major repair or alteration require the AC go back into a phase 1 flight test for a given period of time? And if so who determines how long?
Ryan
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