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Old 06-06-2011, 09:27 AM
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Correct spelling IMHO is Consensus, then again I'm Dutch, not a native speaker although my ICAO language proficiency level suggests the contrary..
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:55 AM
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Even if you can say that 1000 or 1,000,000 people agree with you, concensus is no substutute for facts. Can a bee fly?
Actually regarding priming, consensus beats facts any day. And I believe it is a bumble bee that can or cannot fly, ordinary bees are not affected.
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Old 06-06-2011, 11:51 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out the point of the original post. Is the OP commenting on the other forum he used to participate in, or this forum?
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Old 06-06-2011, 12:33 PM
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but when you ofter an opinion, such as "I think..." or "IMHO", it just becomes as valuable or valueless as any other opinion.
So, in your opinion then, we are to avoid giving OUR opinion, and only state what we believe to be fact, and by so doing we would then BECOME the de-facto "guru" on this board collecting our sycophants, leading to its ultimate demise as well.

No thanks. Experimental class is all about opinions and the variety of them. If you want certainty, go certificated - they have real gurus (and sycophants - lots of 'em).

An open experimental forum like this will by default carry a lot of diverse opinions, held by individuals of widely varying knowledge and experience. It is up to the individual contributor on the board to ask a question, listen to all the answers, and try to discern where the intelligence lies. Over time an intelligent listener will learn who the knowledgable contributors are, and will begin to use an internal filter on responses to queries based on that.
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:46 PM
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So, in your opinion then, we are to avoid giving OUR opinion, and only state what we believe to be fact, and by so doing we would then BECOME the de-facto "guru" on this board collecting our sycophants, leading to its ultimate demise as well.

No thanks. Experimental class is all about opinions and the variety of them. If you want certainty, go certificated - they have real gurus (and sycophants - lots of 'em).

An open experimental forum like this will by default carry a lot of diverse opinions, held by individuals of widely varying knowledge and experience. It is up to the individual contributor on the board to ask a question, listen to all the answers, and try to discern where the intelligence lies. Over time an intelligent listener will learn who the knowledgable contributors are, and will begin to use an internal filter on responses to queries based on that.

Well said, Greg.

By definition, opinion is not necessarily based on facts. I may opine that I think the sky looks orange today, and that statement is really unassailable. It doesn't make it factual, but it is still my opinion, as wrong as it may be. That's the beauty of opinions -- everybody has one.

I understand the OP's intent, however. Sometimes on this site, as well as nearly every other online discussion board on the Internet, people enjoy declaring their opinions as factual, when in fact, their statements are not.

In a hobby-based discussion board such as VAF, we builders often opine on the "best" way to do something because it works. Others support that opinion, and then some know-it-all like Paul Dye, Brantel, or either Horton pops up and destroys the claims with facts, always in a very knowledgeable and courteous way. Nothing wrong with that. Facts beat opinion any day.

However, discussions quickly erode into pi$$ing matches when opinion butts head with opinion -- neither based solely on facts. I think THAT was the gist of the OP's declaration, NOT that we shouldn't offer opinions on VAF.

Regardless, I have so little true knowledge about much of anything that just about anything I ever post here is just my opinion!
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Old 06-06-2011, 01:58 PM
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Whatever you do, though, always be sure to eschew obfuscation.
And never use a long word when a diminutive one will do...

But, while my vocabulary is quite good and I don't see any obvious grammatical errors, two readings of the first post have not rendered me any wiser regarding the subject or the point being made. Perhaps this is part of some ongoing discussion in another thread and I am simply missing some background? Whatever the case, it doesn't seem relevant to either RVs or my experiences on this forum so I guess it's Ok.
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Old 06-06-2011, 03:22 PM
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I find opinions here very thought-provoking. If it is something I have not considered, then I may actually learn something. Without opinions, this would be a pretty dead forum.

Now, on the original post, was it fact or opinion? The answer is obviously yes! Will I continue to give my opinion from time to time? Yes, I guess not...

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Old 06-06-2011, 03:24 PM
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I try, I try!!!
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