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06-01-2011, 07:57 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mattawan, Michigan
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Countersink cage too big for countersinks near flange
I am wondering what others have done regarding countersinking in close proximity to a flange. I have a 1 inch diameter countersink cage but it is too large to countersink some of the rivet holes in the Upper Caps. ATS has an 11/16s diameter cage but I am not convinced that it will work. Thanks.
FM
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06-01-2011, 08:06 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Sumner, WA
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I don't have a picture to share, but I ground one side of the cage off. Just make sure you keep enough so that you can still hold it flat.
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06-01-2011, 08:09 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Freehand
If you're careful, do it freehand with the countersink bit without the cage.
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06-01-2011, 09:25 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Auckland New Zealand
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You can buy the counter sinks that are designed to be used freehand. They save you time on the thinner parts where you will get chatter if you dont use a backup behind the part you are counter sinking. If you pracitice a few times you will get quite good at getting the depth correct.
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06-02-2011, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I think...
I think you can also take your countersink bit and screw it into your speed deburring tool if so desired...I wouldn't want to countersink for a #8 screw using this method, but for countersinking for rivets in tight places it'll do fine.
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06-02-2011, 01:39 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Dublin, CA
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Look on ebay you can find countersinks with are partial cages. That sounds like it should take care of your problem.
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06-02-2011, 01:50 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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I used my regular hole deburring tool (which is really just a pilot-less countersink bit) to handle a couple of countersinks that I couldn't use my microstop on--worked just fine.
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06-03-2011, 03:19 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Boone, Iowa
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If you want to freehand, but need an extension you can pull the countersink apart pretty easy and use the shank. Keep track of how the parts go together.
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06-03-2011, 03:52 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Peachtree City Ga
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At my place of work, we call the pilot less cutters, "suicide countersinks", if not carefully used the name is appropriate.
Greg.
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06-04-2011, 05:38 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mattawan, Michigan
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Thank you for all of your ideas and support.
Thank you to everyone for your ideas and support. I am now back onto finishing the V-stab and moving on to the rudder. This is a great family to belong to.
FM
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