Canopy choice and new fighters

[Cooperd0g]

Originally Posted by 1911pilot

Just out of curiosity why don't you want to cut within 3 inches of the canopy frame?

Not exactly sure, but probably to keep you away from that gas tube running along the edge. I don't have F-35 time though.

[Ironflight]

Originally Posted by WillyEyeBall;541867I can't think of any fighter more sexy than a F 104 with the tip over canopy:
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and wish mine tipped too, sometimes.
Bill McLean
RV-4 Slider

Thanks for reminding me of that! I feel much better about the RV-3 tip-over now - great heritage.

Guess I need to start looking for a rocket motor for "Junior's" tail to turn it into an "N" model....

[mrreddick]

Originally Posted by Cooperd0g

I doubt it is det cord. Det cord is usually in a zig zag pattern on the very top a-la the T-45 and the AV-8B. That tube is mostly likely a gas tube to provide pressure to the canopy seal and/or jettison system.

Guess again, the canopy does not jettison. The seat goes thru the opening made by that "det cord", or whatever you want to call it. Question, where did you come up with that photo of the F35 indoors?

[NavyS3BNFO]

Originally Posted by Ironflight

Thanks for reminding me of that! I feel much better about the RV-3 tip-over now - great heritage.

Guess I need to start looking for a rocket motor for "Junior's" tail to turn it into an "N" model....

Paul,

While it's not a fighter, the T-6 Texan II has a tip over canopy design. I'd fly it in a heartbeat! Bunch of my friends have plenty of time flying NFOs in P-cola around in these things. What a blast!

[Cooperd0g]

Originally Posted by mrreddick

Guess again, the canopy does not jettison. The seat goes thru the opening made by that "det cord", or whatever you want to call it. Question, where did you come up with that photo of the F35 indoors?

I think I found the pictures on CodeOne.com or something like that. I'm not that familiar with the jet so it is surprising to hear that the canopy doesn't jettison. That tubing still doesn't look like det cord though.

[flyboy1963]

...sounds like we have some F35 experts here.....so is it possible ( unlike the F16) that the 'one-piece' tip up actually has a thicker windscreen for bird strike etc., or heat, HUD requirements?, and the rest of the canopy aft of the bow is a different thickness or material?
just curious...

[rvmills]

Originally Posted by sprucemoose

This is true, and for the 0.05% of the time you spend in your airplane in this condition, the slider has the advantage. In the other 99.95%, the tip-up wins in every category.

To the OP- you really need to sit in, and fly, both types. You shouldn't have any trouble tracking down an example of each.

Concur with Jeff...gotta try both. So when you come out to check on baggage areas for dog-carrying capacities (from that other thread), you can sit in a copy of each...and if the wind is down, probably won't take much arm-twisiting to go flying!

The tipper might win on dog-entry procedures too. For dogs (or people), its just a different feel...ducking below the canopy or swinging in. Both work great, and again, its a small percentage of the flying envelope.

I have a slider and like it, but flew a tipper 9 yesterday. The vis is awesome, that's for sure. Might be tougher to see the bogey behind you...but then again, that would never happen, now would it! I'll just use my canopy bow to tell how many degrees angle off of your tail I am!

Originally Posted by DanH

Consider this snippet from Raymer's "Aircraft Design..":



That elbow-on-the-sill cool factor stuff kinda evaporates when you get passed.....

Ouch! Good thing many/most of the F1s have a slider, or I'd never be in the race with them!

Truth hurts tho, don't it!

Cheers,
Bob

[mrreddick]

Originally Posted by Cooperd0g

I think I found the pictures on CodeOne.com or something like that. I'm not that familiar with the jet so it is surprising to hear that the canopy doesn't jettison. That tubing still doesn't look like det cord though.

But it is, no jettisonable canopy!

[roee]

Originally Posted by Cooperd0g

[snip]F-16: It also has a tip up canopy that goes backwards, but there is no canopy bow support as the entire canopy goes up. So it is more like the RV tip up in that regard. Man visibility is incredible! But you lose the sight references from the Hornet.[snip]

That problem, if it really is a problem, can be solved very easily so that you get the best of both worlds. Go with the F-16 / RV tip up style canopy, and paint or tape a thin line on it, if you find that useful as a sight reference. This really is the best of both worlds in that you can have your sight reference, but unlike a structural canopy bow, you can make the line very thin so that it doesn't obstruct your field of view.

[glenn654]

Another great tip-over not yet mentioned.....Bf 109.

And then there is the RV-4

Glenn Wilkinson