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Old 04-22-2010, 12:55 PM
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Thanks Randy, I'll give that a try.

I did 30 minutes hunting around google on the subject and found a site that says MO premium is not REQUIRED to have ETOH so maybe there's hope there too. Other grades require 10%.
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Old 04-22-2011, 12:06 PM
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Can anyone point me to the actual regulation that governs the transportation of gasoline by private individuals for their own use? I've looked all over and can't seem to find it.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:23 PM
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Now if I could just find gas without ethanol...
Here you go, folks. http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=OR just click on your state.

Currently there are 2697 sites selling unblended fuel in the US, and those are just the ones known about...We can thank the boaters for this. They raised enough H**l with their legislatures to get 'er done...
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:48 PM
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http://pure-gas.org/

a lot of good info here.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:52 PM
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So I wanted to know the exact same thing (actual rules for transporting gasoline). I was unable to find it for Idaho, so I actually called up the Idaho dept of transportation, and one of the folks there in the enforcement division called me back. I asked about what the restrictions were on private citizens transporting gas. They could not tell me where to find the rules, but when I just explained that wanted to put a 50 gallon drum of fuel in the back of my pickup and carry it around, they said it would be fine.
The best I can tell is that a certain amount of gas (I often saw 100 gallons listed) is when it seems that the restrictions start to kick in. I think its designed to regulate commercial operations, so if you're just hauling enough gas to fill up your RV from the local gas station, no one seems to care.

Good luck, and be sure to post if you find the actual rules!
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Old 04-22-2011, 09:25 PM
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The only thing I could find that I think might apply is this:


(d) Functions not subject to the requirements of the HMR. The
following are examples of activities to which the HMR do not apply:

(1) Storage of a freight container, transport vehicle, or package
containing a hazardous material at an offeror facility prior to a
carrier taking possession of the hazardous material for movement in
transportation in commerce or, for a private motor carrier, prior to a
motor vehicle drivertaking physical possession of the hazardous material for movement in transportation in commerce.
(2) Unloading of a hazardous material from a transport vehicle or a
bulk packaging performed by a person employed by or working under
contract to the consignee following delivery of the hazardous material
by the carrier to its destination and departure from the consignee's
premises of the carrier's personnel or, in the case of a private
carrier, departure of the driver from the unloading area.
(3) Storage of a freight container, transport vehicle, or package
containing a hazardous material after its delivery by a carrier to the
destination indicated on a shipping document, package marking, or other
medium, or, in the case of a rail car, storage of a rail car on private
track.
(4) Rail and motor vehicle movements of a hazardous material
exclusively within a contiguous facility boundary where public access is
restricted, except to the extent that the movement is on or crosses a
public road or is on track that is part of the general railroad system
of transportation, unless access to the public road is restricted by
signals, lights, gates, or similar controls.
(5) Transportation of a hazardous material in a motor vehicle,
aircraft, or vessel operated by a Federal, state, or local government
employee solely for noncommercial Federal, state, or local government
purposes.
(6) Transportation of a hazardous material by an individual for non-
commercial purposes in a private motor vehicle, including a leased or
rented motor vehicle.



Which is from the following document:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 49, Volume 2]
[Revised as of October 1, 2010]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 49CFR171.1]

[Page 76-80]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--PIPELINE AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SAFETY ADMINISTRATION,
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

PART 171_GENERAL INFORMATION, REGULATIONS, AND DEFINITIONS--
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:07 PM
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Just do a drum or tank and be done. How many ppl do you think actually get pulled over so the officer can check whats in the drum/tank? Never heard of it. Just get a good tank or a good drum, and be done. The company I work for transports haz waste all day long. They are the ones that get messed with because they are operating under Commercial Regs. Private parties will probably never have a problem.

You can get a UN rated drum, throw a flammable sticker on it, and be done if you want to be "legal".

Some of these guys on here could spend $50,000 trying to do a $1,000 job.

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Old 04-23-2011, 09:06 PM
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Some of these guys on here could spend $50,000 trying to do a $1,000 job.
True enough, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to be in compliance with the law. And just because someone on an Internet forum says something is legal doesn't mean it is. I prefer to read the reg myself and decide what it means. Money has nothing to do with it.
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:37 AM
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Here you go, folks. http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=OR just click on your state.

Currently there are 2697 sites selling unblended fuel in the US, and those are just the ones known about...We can thank the boaters for this. They raised enough H**l with their legislatures to get 'er done...
Be sure you verify that the listings on the site are still valid. The three stations that are listed for my locale haven't had "pure" gas for over a year.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:29 PM
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I, too would like to see and read the actual rules which are likely to vary somewhat from state to state and which are probably address under some federal DOT regulations.

What I was told by my son, who holds a Class A CDL with tanker and hazmat endorsements that for an auxiliary tank which is used to carry additional fuel for the vehicle carrying it anything which meets the federal regulations about being at least as safe as the OEM installation is OK regardless of its capacity. But that a transfer tank such as is being discussed here can not be more than 100 gals without running into the requirement for a CDL and a few other federal regulations. Apparently less than 100 gals is not covered by the feds, but may run into local/state rules.
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