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04-14-2011, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: detroit, michigan
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Can anyone chime in what else the 650 can do over the 430.
I am only seeing higher resolution, touch screen, and Airways....??
IS this all?
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04-14-2011, 11:20 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lancaster, PA
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From what I read it will also display the Garmin SafeTaxi for certain airports and can access select transponders remotely. The 750 has some other additional features as well but thats a whole different story :-)
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04-14-2011, 11:47 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Bonney Lake, WA
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There is a nice intro vid on the GTN boxes here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36yNypiPmkA
As an aside, something to think about when considering "all in one" boxes and newer gizmos. Just for background, I don't have a ton of time flying the 430/530, right around 500 hours or so (all IFR single pilot in a fast twin). I also have time in planes using FMS boxes for navigation. What I see in the newer devices is a cleaner look with less buttons and knobs, but more effort (or steps) to access the standard features that pilots often have to mess with. For example, during the video, the Garmin rep demonstrates changing the transponder code through the GTN. To access that, he had to push part of the screen to bring up the transponder function (thus inhibiting the normal nav display), typing in a code, then pushing another button to minimize the transponder menu. In a typical installation you see today with a separate transponder, the pilot would simply press the dedicated transponder buttons to change the code. All the stuff I have flown has had fairly minimal soft keys, and in my opinion, because of that the pilot workload is lower than what appears on the GTN and other devices with "all in one" knobs and soft keys. It will be interesting to hear reports from pilots on whether they're spending more time programming functions on the GTN boxes versus older radio stack setups.
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07-15-2011, 02:07 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Oklahoma City area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AltonD
Be careful. Garmin DOES NOT SUPPORT THE 28 VOLT 430 UNITS. A friend has a 28V 430 with a bad nav board. It will make a great boat anchor. Garmin will not repair it.
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But they will upgrade it to a 430W which is then supported.
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10-19-2011, 09:23 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Rayville Mo Midland Tx
Posts: 74
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650 garmin
Has any one got the 650 installed and had some actual time using it while flying. Getting ready to up grade panel to a 650 or 430w
Tim
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02-09-2013, 10:28 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Kansas City
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430W vs 650
The 650 Garmin GPS has a nice featrure using and inexpensive SD card for data storage instead of the expensive Jeppesen data card. Interesting though, that once the SD card is programmed it can only be used in that particular 650. Programming the SD card sure is easier by not needing a data loader for a hundred bucks from Jeppesen or Garmin.
If you are going to fly in another airplane with a 650, one cannot take the nav data card and use it in a different 650, it knows it's own unit..
Clarity of the terrain and airways is a very nice feature in the 650 making transitions much easier. Especially if cleared from a direct flight having to return to a particular airway due to ATC radar coverage or outages. This feature saves from ginning up a tablet/Ipad or flipping paper charts around to become orientated to the airway.
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02-18-2013, 05:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Eastman, GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffsvan
Can anyone chime in what else the 650 can do over the 430.
I am only seeing higher resolution, touch screen, and Airways....??
IS this all?
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I fly with the 750/650 quite often, the 430w not as much but I know both systems well.
The GTN650 in the airplane (not an RV) is linked with a 750, so the 750 handles a lot of what is going on transponder, audio panel, etc. However, I like to think of the 650 as a combination of the 430 and the handheld series. You get your GPS Map, Weather, Flight Planner, Navaids, Com/nav, Traffic and your procedures from the 430. You then get your Music, Charts, Airport layouts from the Handhelds. Another added benefit of the 650 is the improved radio clarity(personal opinion), vertical guidance on GPS, ADS-b Goodies and frequency database. If I am not mistaken the 650 also takes care of the transponder (Ex. the transponder auto switches from standby to reporting on its own.).
The 650 and company also tries to keep track of range, I don't really think it is all that useful. You put in what 'should' be your burn rate and then how much fuel you have on board at engine start. It is about as accurate as just looking at the fuel gauge. If it was pulling your GPH from your EFIS/EIS, that would be one thing, but its just kinda guessing at what your range 'should' be.
I personally like the touchscreen on the 650. The interface does require some time to get used to, but once you figure it out it becomes second nature. But that's from a Student Pilots prospective.
http://www8.garmin.com/support/downl...ls.jsp?id=5379
The link above is the trainer for the GTN series.
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Last edited by Flyingdreamz : 02-18-2013 at 05:45 PM.
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02-18-2013, 07:18 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 1,166
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650's seem to have dropped in price recently. 9500 can be easily found. They were well over 10k not long ago.
George
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04-23-2013, 03:22 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1
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where?
9500 would be a good price. One on Ebay now, but seller has made it unable to ask questions so poss bogus sale? Please tell me where they are selling for 9500...best price I can get from a Garmin installer is 9800. thx
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04-23-2013, 03:55 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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Welcome to VAF!
Mike, welcome to VAF 
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Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
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