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03-15-2011, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newport, TN
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While there must be a method to Van's madness on how and why they package the hardware the way they do, I have never figured it out. It must really be optimized for them on their end. I doubt you will ever convice them to change their system as they have been doing it this way all the way back to the early years.
I did like others stated above. Inventory the bags, dump them all out and sort them into standard bins. Put oddballs in the oddball bin.
The first few years of my build I did not do this and it costed me some major time searching thru bags. After I put everything into standard bins, the time searching for hardware went way way down!
What I hate is those darn paper labels that self destruct when you try to get em off leaving behind a mess!!!
Last edited by Brantel : 03-15-2011 at 02:33 PM.
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03-15-2011, 03:11 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Redwood City, CA
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I agree with what many people are saying here, and in response to the other related threads. For me, inventorying (is that a word?) my parts into bins was really educational. I still don't quite have my head around the different plate nuts, but at least at one point i took the time to figure it out and put them in their own bins. May take time up front, but when i need a part, i just need to find the label and i'm set.
I like sig's idea of googling the parts you're not sure what they are.
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03-15-2011, 03:33 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Norwich England
Posts: 155
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Paper bags
Sorry but I go against the tide here, I like the bags. When I inventoried my kit last ages ago I put the items back into the bags and wrote on them with an indelible pen what they contained. As I have used the parts they have been easy to find etc.
Just my opinion.
Rob
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03-15-2011, 04:03 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Paso Robles, CA
Posts: 1,177
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Assortment Boxes!
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Originally Posted by 9GT
I totally agree with Mike S. Get some of those small parts bins from your local discount big box store, and a Dymo label maker. Go through all your bags and put them away accordingly. It might take a few hours or more but the benefit is you will have everything organized and labeled, plus you become familiar with the many different small parts and hardware. I can't imagine a silly complaint like this would prevent someone from ordering a kit from Van's. 
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This is a good idea,
He who hesitates stalls!
We have a great selection of very durable yet see through organization boxes.
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03-15-2011, 06:05 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 1,647
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I don't know why Van's have packaged things the way they have, but if you check the contents of each bag as they ask you to, and store the parts in some kind of systematic order, you should not have any problems. The mixed parts are easy enough to separate and identify if you read what's supposed to be in the bag. I'm also a first time builder, and I'm surprised that this is even being raised as a concern, much less a reason for possibly not ordering a kit. 
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03-15-2011, 06:10 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 863
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Seems I was not understood
Let's try to make my point again:
It would be stupid not to inventory and store the hardware in bins as many have suggested. This is not the point.
Inventorying plastic bags: no problem, they have only one type of hardware in and it's printed on the bag.
Inventorying paper bags: some have several parts in and the inventory tells you what they are like K1000-3, K1000-4, K1000-08. They also give you the quantities of each so sometimes if you count everything you may be able to determine which is what but... sometimes the quantities are the same and sometimes they are wrong (usually a few extras).
My point: why do you put parts that can be confused in the same bag? You want to save money on your paper bags? Fine, mix in one bag parts that cannot be confused like bolts with washers and platenuts but only one of each type to avoid confusion.
Does not make sense to have to take my caliper out to measure the length of bolts in order to find out in what bin I should store them... and I don't even mention platenuts!
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03-15-2011, 06:13 PM
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been here awhile
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 4,301
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Driftdown
Over the past several weeks, there have been numerous posts regarding the confusion (especially, nut plates) and installation errors which first time builders have experienced. They have been vocal about it and shared their frustrations. I am a bit surprised that Van's has not been more pro active in correcting the problem directly, by making minor adjustments to the packaging process, it seems it would make identification less confusing and improve the quality of the kit product. The passive, default solution, seems to be with builder organization. How about a minor change to the packaging itself from Van's? Isn't that what these guys are suggesting? Instead, the fix is left up to the future builder.
Until this issue is resolved, I have decided to hold off on the purchase.
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Those of us who mined the bauxite, pounded out the lumps of aluminum into sheets and drilled EVERY hole in the plane are getting quite a chuckle out of this post.
And yes.......there were little brown bags even back then!
Order your -12 and get started building. You have received excellent advise on how to organize your shop and become educated in the hardware world. 
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03-15-2011, 06:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Southern Michigan
Posts: 1,966
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Van's even included an AN bolt gauge in the kit,, (at least my -10 kit did) so no need to measure with calipers.
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03-15-2011, 07:08 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 1,647
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Buchanan
Those of us who mined the bauxite, pounded out the lumps of aluminum into sheets and drilled EVERY hole in the plane are getting quite a chuckle out of this post.
And yes.......there were little brown bags even back then!
Order your -12 and get started building. You have received excellent advise on how to organize your shop and become educated in the hardware world. 
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Aha!... spoken like a true BUILDER. Not like us -12 bag sorters and parts assemblers. We have it easy. Well said, Sam 
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03-15-2011, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
Posts: 3,822
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I used the bag contents method for several weeks, then came upon a way that seems to be far more accurate and easy for me. This box can be bought at Harbor Freight for just several dollars, I find at this stage I KNOW what I am looking for looks like, so it is easy to spot them in the clear plastic boxes, labeled of course.
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