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03-13-2011, 08:42 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Apples to oranges. Your comparing a handheld GPS to a panel mount GPS/com.
First of all, I HAVE a great GPS. And I was not looking for an upDATED 250. I was looking for an upGRADE; i.e. a newer model of GPS/com. Garmin is concentrating. on all the many thousand $$$$ units with no consideration for us lowly VFR guys.
While I agree that the 250 is somewhat obsolete; that just makes my point. Garmin has done nothing to "replace" it with newer technology without spending many thousands $$$$.
We can agree to disagree.
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03-14-2011, 04:24 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kyalami, South Africa
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I am with Mel on this.
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Originally Posted by Mel
Apples to oranges. Your comparing a handheld GPS to a panel mount GPS/com.
First of all, I HAVE a great GPS. And I was not looking for an upDATED 250. I was looking for an upGRADE; i.e. a newer model of GPS/com. Garmin is concentrating. on all the many thousand $$$$ units with no consideration for us lowly VFR guys.
While I agree that the 250 is somewhat obsolete; that just makes my point. Garmin has done nothing to "replace" it with newer technology without spending many thousands $$$$.
We can agree to disagree.
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03-14-2011, 06:09 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dublin, GA
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Hopeful but not betting.
I'll add one thing to the wish list- slide in replacement for the 430/530. No panel mods. I would think that would be a brilliant marketing strategy.
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03-14-2011, 06:18 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Mendon South Carolina
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Just so long as all this wonderfulness is not followed by>>>>>>>>>>>>"we are no longer supporting the 430/530 series"
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03-14-2011, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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I'm hoping for free data updates for life on all existing products. But its still 6:40 in the morning so I must still be dreaming...
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03-14-2011, 10:52 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: San Diego, CA, U.S.A.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel
Apples to oranges. Your comparing a handheld GPS to a panel mount GPS/com.
First of all, I HAVE a great GPS. And I was not looking for an upDATED 250. I was looking for an upGRADE; i.e. a newer model of GPS/com. Garmin is concentrating. on all the many thousand $$$$ units with no consideration for us lowly VFR guys.
While I agree that the 250 is somewhat obsolete; that just makes my point. Garmin has done nothing to "replace" it with newer technology without spending many thousands $$$$.
We can agree to disagree.
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Mel, I do see your point. What you would like to see is a modern, low cost, stack-mounted GPS/comm. Fair enough.
That would make sense as an easy upgrade for you given that that's the configuration you have currently in your airplane. But I'm guessing that may be a very limited market today (partly, as evidenced by Garmin not showing much interest in it). The trend today for VFR aircraft seems to be more toward either GPS-integrated EFIS, or semi-permanently-mounted "handheld" GPS (both of which Garmin and others are vigorously pursuing). In both cases, you generally get larger screens which make possible richer user interfaces and feature sets than can't be done very practically in a small screen radio-stack-style unit. And the EFIS type products offer a much greater level of integration even beyond just the GPS (although granted, most of them don't include comm yet... but give them a year or two.) So yes, apples and oranges to a degree. But seems like the apples are largely getting phased out by the oranges. I wonder how much market demand there really is for another traditional GPS/comm for VFR. How many other folks there are in your situation that would like to replace an older stack-mounted VFR GPS/comm with a newer stack-mounted VFR GPS/comm, and not do a more extensive (but still not necessarily far more expensive) panel upgrade to, say, a VFR GPS-integrated EFIS.
As far as a "newer" stack-mounted GPS/comm that you would like to see, what new features would it need to have for you to buy one as a replacement for your existing 250? And at what price point? Just curious.
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03-14-2011, 11:15 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Grand Prairie, Texas
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MGL
Mel, this would seem to me to be a perfect opportunity for MGL to integrate its radio with a simple GPS moving map. Maybe Rainier could address this.
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03-14-2011, 03:31 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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GPS/Comm
I will buy 2 today if they had a color screen and flip flop. Don't need all the bells and whistles of a 430 or the price. Already have 2 hand held's
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03-14-2011, 07:56 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Washington, DC
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Just throwin' it out there
I'm guessing touch screens make the scene. Integrated avionics, like an MFD with coms and transponder, all in one. Kind of like what a half a g1000 would be, and perhaps vertical like a 696. That old 480 was a nice box, but very different in button pushes and knob turns when compared to the 430 and 530. The 480 also accepted Victor airways. I'm guessing what's next is something that'll allow those Victor airways in the flight plan, some touch screen capabilities, maybe a whole lot more screen and a whole lot less bezel, especially if they combine unit capabilities... A stack sized all-in-one-der MFD with 480 like capabilities in the new garmin sort of keystrokes. Heck, throw in a portable keypad to make it FMS-like for entering flight plans and ADS-B and you got yourself a full fledged 430/530/gtx330 eraser. Gives them the flexibility to add nextgen capabilities to new architecture, instead of trying to overhaul the 430/530/gtx330 line for a 2020 ads-b start date. Heck, who knows, could even be the size of a full size approach plate to allow a g600 pfd/mfd with a chart view sitting right next to it. Really,all just a guess here...an LPV approach to a cornfield...a shot in the dark.
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03-14-2011, 10:27 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Bricker
I will buy 2 today if they had a color screen and flip flop. Don't need all the bells and whistles of a 430 or the price. Already have 2 hand held's
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I assume you already know about the 420?
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