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Old 03-14-2011, 07:13 PM
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But would you play it when you're PIC? That's my point about AOPA's dumb video (too much sarcasm in the actor's presentation, too, IMHO)
Am I at altitude? Short final? What stage of the game am I in? How many birds do I have left before we have to land? Am I struggling with a particularly difficult level?


(no..I would not...but I would also not tweet, facebook, text, or email while driving...and people do it and die pretty often...so I can see their point..as lame as the way it was presented.)
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:38 PM
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I ordered the ipad2 last week, hopefully it arrives soon. I didn't buy it for aviation though I am going to put charts on it and use foreflight. It is the holy grail in aviation applications.

It shouldn't be a replacement for in-panel avionics, but I think it's a better (and cheaper) option to the 695 (and maybe 696).

That video is a joke though. I get the intent and understand the message. But that's clearly not a safety video. It's a "don't buy the iPad and buy garmin" video.

I'll report in once mine arrives.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:26 PM
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But would you play it when you're PIC? That's my point about AOPA's dumb video (too much sarcasm in the actor's presentation, too, IMHO)
Unfortunately Mike, believe it or not, it is not unheard of.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:37 PM
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Stick with aviation oriented products. At least the screens are better in sunlight, though far from what I would consider good even in the best of them.
If I understand correctly, and you're talking aviation GPS's............the Garmin 696 is "extremely" good in sunlight. I seldom use the canopy shade, and there has never been a time, in which I was wishig the screen was more readable. In the meantime, my backup Lowarance 600c will completely wash out in some conditions.

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:43 PM
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... But that's clearly not a safety video. It's a "don't buy the iPad and buy garmin" video...
I didn't see it that way. The message I took was to fly the plane and look outside... don't get caught up in your funky new panel doomahicky (which could as easily happen with a Garmin product... but the message wouldn't have been as silly, so less rememberable). Simply, it is a use of parody (for those who haven't seen an Apple new product introduction video, check one out to see why it is a parody) to make a point.

There was no mention of Garmin, nor Bendix/King, Dynon, Blue Mountain, Chelton, Grand Rapids, Advance Flight Systems, MGL, Grand Rapids, Trutrak, Aspen, or Avidyne. In all likelihood, they picked Apple to parody because it wouldn't annoy a dedicated aviation supplier (and advertiser), while still making the point.

It is good that discussion comes from it. That serves the purpose.
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Old 03-14-2011, 08:44 PM
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If you've spent any amount of time as a CFI, this is not a slap in the face. Cockpit distractions from gizmo's and all kinds of other **** that students bring along can be pretty entertaining, but also pose a serious risk if not dealt with. I've had to literally throw their stuff in the back, turn off every thing, and had to MAKE students navigate with just a sectional and clock. AOPA didn't mean this as a slam against the iPad, but more as a reminder to be cognizant of how much time you're not devoting to flying when you're playing with other stuff.

The more **** there is in the cockpit to look at, the less time you devote outside. Getting back to that basic tenant of just shut up and look out the window has served me well, never more so than in combat flying close air support.
Well.............

By now, you must know my feelings on the subject....

This forum, the AOPA forum, and a few sim forums..

I've often said, that if you get an instructor who shuts off the GPS with a smirk on their face.............then throw them out!!!

No personal offense, but when I see instructors referring to GPS as "gizmo's", I get entirely bent out of shape...

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:55 PM
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Turn off the glass, get out a real live map, bring along a stopwatch, and go fly. See if you can find your way around.
Sorry...........but it doesn't fly...

I see no purpose in turning off my XM weather, precision airspace boundries, exact fuel management, current TFR's, winds, altimeter settings.................and if **** hits the fan, terrain & obstacle mapping.

As you can see, at 60 years of age, I no longer believe in "old school" navigation, just for the sake of it. However, I do, and will carry my sectionals to.... follow along, and will never blindly follow a magenta line.

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Old 03-14-2011, 08:59 PM
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As pilots, we should use every tool available to us to fly safely. I am sure when VOR's were new, people thought they too were gizmo's. GPS' are the same way. The have made flying safer AND cheaper...but they should be supplemented by good old fashioned pilotage.

I got into an argument about using an electronic E6B versus a mechanical one..always the "what if the battery dies" comment. Some battery operated things will die (always have a spare). My comment was, "what if the engine dies...where is my crank to keep it going?"

I bet everyone on here uses a calculator too....


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No personal offense, but when I see instructors referring to GPS as "gizmo's", I get entirely bent out of shape...

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Old 03-14-2011, 09:07 PM
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I prefer to challenge myself as a pilot and not always depend on technology to get me through. I am not advocating taking an IFR X-C without the benefit of equipment, but a day VFR flight around the patch can be fun to do it old school.

Up until a few years ago, the USAF C-130 community used to have a requirement for doing a celestial navigation check while crossing the pond. The nav, with the help of some manuals, would take a cel shot and usually be within less than several miles. They are no longer required to do it..and the equipment has been removed from the plane. It was a cool skill and very accurate for being hundreds of years old.

I see no reason not to keep old school skills fresh...again, it can be kind of fun. Sort of like hiking with just a map and compass.

(over the past 30 days, I have been doing NDB approaches in (full procedure turns as well) and NDB holds, in training. I have NEVER done one in the operation world and probably never will but they have been fun to do...sort of)


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Sorry...........but it doesn't fly...

I see no purpose in turning off my XM weather, precision airspace boundries, exact fuel management, current TFR's, winds, altimeter settings.................and if **** hits the fan, terrain & obstacle mapping.

As you can see, at 60 years of age, I no longer believe in "old school" navigation, just for the sake of it. However, I do, and will carry my sectionals to.... follow along, and will never blindly follow a magenta line.

L.Adamson --- RV6A
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As pilots, we should use every tool available to us to fly safely. I am sure when VOR's were new, people thought they too we gizmo's. GPS' are the same way. The have made flying safer AND cheaper...but they should be supplemented by good old fashioned pilotage.
I agree. In fact, thanks to GPS, I've found that I tend to look farther in the distance, and then check the lakes, rivers, towns, etc. on the sectional.

Perhaps I'm spending more time with my eyes out of the cockpit, than keeping them in, while flipping knobs and triangulating a couple of VORs.

Perhaps you've seen the story that I commented on a few months ago. A 90 year old ex-pilot was taken on a plane ride through mountain country on his birthday. He made the comment, that he had never seen all the beautiful scenery while he was the PIC. The reason was.....was that he had to spend too much time with navigating.....back in those old days.

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