ipad2 - replacement for traditional avionics in the cockpit??

[eric_marsh]

I've got an iPad charts app that is almost ready for release. I think that I've done a good job with it. Having said that, I would never, ever consider it to be suitable as a primary navigation tool and I have a main screen message as well as pop-up messages indicating that it should not be used as such.

[eric_marsh]

Originally Posted by jetjok

Just received this from AOPA. Kinda silly, but the message is deadly serious and very germane to all of us!

http://www.aopa.org/aopalive/?watch=....mc_id=F311PSA

Very funny - and appropriate.

[Mile High Relic]

Originally Posted by jetjok

Just received this from AOPA. Kinda silly, but the message is deadly serious and very germane to all of us!

http://www.aopa.org/aopalive/?watch=....mc_id=F311PSA

I just ordered an iPad 2 yesterday.

That video is awesome.

[mrreddick]

Originally Posted by jetjok

Just received this from AOPA. Kinda silly, but the message is deadly serious and very germane to all of us!

http://www.aopa.org/aopalive/?watch=....mc_id=F311PSA

I would put my money that Garmin helped fund this ludicrous "safety" video.
What a freakin joke! It is a slap in the face to the intelligence of all pilots.
Hmmm, what has AOPA done for me lately besides providing a digital issue of it's magazine for display on, wait for it.......my IPAD!

[jetjok]

Originally Posted by mrreddick

I would put my money that Garmin helped fund this ludicrous "safety" video.
What a freakin joke! It is a slap in the face to the intelligence of all pilots.
Hmmm, what has AOPA done for me lately besides providing a digital issue of it's magazine for display on, wait for it.......my IPAD!

Maybe so....Maybe so.
However, I have found that there is a significant number of pilots who spend way to much time heads down. The majority of ones attention should be spent flying the plane, not the panel.
We have an unwritten rule in my work environment, that if it takes more than one push (or turn) to get what you need, have the other guy do it.

The bottom line (and point of the video) is to remind us to look outside, and stay focused on making sure that the plane is doing what you want it to do.
Mike, Your message clearly states that you believe 3 things.
1. This is a co-conspiracy between Garmin and AOPA.
2. The message contained in the video is an insult to the perceived intelligence of all pilots.
3. AOPA is hypocritical as they publish ads and stories about EFIS, iPads, etc.
Maybe you would care to enlighten us with some factual explanations, so that we might understand your premises.

This has now gone OT, and I apologize. I think that this is a good discussion and wanted to move it to another forum. Mike, I see you are a moderator, so move it to an another forum if you deem it appropriate. THX

[Pave Tim]

This is probably what was said when glass started making its way into GA airplanes. The diehards refused to go to glass and stuck with steam gauges.

Glass is hear to stay and while iPad (or anything similar) may not be made for aviation, nothing says it will not happen in the near future. Apple makes a great product. They are reliable and do not suffer from 99% of the issues that PC (that some GA EFIS's are based on) users deal with. iPad's are hardly toys and would venture to guess that IF Apple were to pursue a serious aviation app with inputs, you would have a great and reliable product.

As for the AOPA commercial, there is SO much information presented on modern EFIS system, it is easy for a seasoned pilot to get focused on what is going on on the screen in front of them. I have flown in glass cockpit jets where the PFD (Primary Flight Displays) was capable of displaying nearly 100 pieces of information. Some are overly complicated and also lead to in-cockpit laziness. People cannot navigate using a compass, map, and stop watch. If the glass goes...so does their SA.

I like flying with glass but have seen it fail...at it was purpose built for aviation use (which is sort of like saying things are mil-spec...which can be a joke.)

Turn off the glass, get out a real live map, bring along a stopwatch, and go fly. See if you can find your way around.

Originally Posted by RV7ator

Message from a curmudgeon Luddite...

I wouldn't consider for a moment sticking some trendy silicon toy into an airplane panel. In a very short time the operating system will change, the product will be unsupported, and whatever comes along next (that would be a week from now) won't be a direct replacement physically or functionally.

Stick with aviation oriented products. At least the screens are better in sunlight, though far from what I would consider good even in the best of them.

John Siebold

[Sig600]

Originally Posted by mrreddick

I would put my money that Garmin helped fund this ludicrous "safety" video.
What a freakin joke! It is a slap in the face to the intelligence of all pilots.
Hmmm, what has AOPA done for me lately besides providing a digital issue of it's magazine for display on, wait for it.......my IPAD!

If you've spent any amount of time as a CFI, this is not a slap in the face. Cockpit distractions from gizmo's and all kinds of other **** that students bring along can be pretty entertaining, but also pose a serious risk if not dealt with. I've had to literally throw their stuff in the back, turn off every thing, and had to MAKE students navigate with just a sectional and clock. AOPA didn't mean this as a slam against the iPad, but more as a reminder to be cognizant of how much time you're not devoting to flying when you're playing with other stuff.

The more **** there is in the cockpit to look at, the less time you devote outside. Getting back to that basic tenant of just shut up and look out the window has served me well, never more so than in combat flying close air support.

[Pave Tim]

By the way....Angry Birds is an AWESOME game.

[jetjok]

Originally Posted by Mile High Relic

I just ordered an iPad 2 yesterday.
That video is awesome.

Lest anyone think that I am an iPad/EFIS blaster, I fly glass at work, and use my ipad to back up the Jepp charts. It is an amazing piece of equipment!
However, as was recently posted...there are times to just look out the window!

[mrreddick]

Originally Posted by Pave Tim

By the way....Angry Birds is an AWESOME game.

But would you play it when you're PIC? That's my point about AOPA's dumb video (too much sarcasm in the actor's presentation, too, IMHO)