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02-28-2011, 05:43 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Fairfield, CA
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Zero one or just one?
Back in the old days (mid 70s) I was taught to try and keep things clear and concise, I still hit the mic button now and then and start the conversation with a long ahhhh, I hate it when I do that. But, something that I hear more now than we used to is referring to runway one, as runway zero one, I?m not sure how this makes anything clearer, but maybe it?s just me. Is this the accepted radio phraseology now?
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Fairfield/Vacaville, CA
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02-28-2011, 06:02 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,768
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No such thing as "Runway Zero One".
Single digit runways should not be preceded by a Zero.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
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Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
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RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
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02-28-2011, 06:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Marysville, WA
Posts: 521
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My two biggest pet peeves are the people that call in where they're not, such as "Cessna 123AB over point X-ray inbound", when in fact they are not over point X-ray, they are 3 miles from point X-ray. This is particularly disturbing when I AM over point X-ray and can't see anyone else.
That and people who fly the pattern 5 miles from the runway and don't turn base until they're in the next county.
As long as I'm ranting, there is also a new feature on Comm radios that needs to be communicated to the flying public. You can LISTEN on them too. It's amazing to me the number of people that figure as long as they're transmitting everyone else will just get out of their way.
Good night, and have pleasant tomorrow.
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02-28-2011, 06:33 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 64
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"please advise"
The latest edition of Airman's Information Manual states:
"Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publi...4/aim0401.html
under 4-1-9g1.
Jim Baker
RV-6
CFI
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02-28-2011, 06:40 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Defiance, MO
Posts: 1,674
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JonJay
I try to remind people that we all should assume that there are aircraft out there NORDO. It is perfectly legal, although uncommon anymore even in the antique world.
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At my airport 10-20% of the aircraft are no radio. Many summer afternoons you can have 4 people with no radio and 4 people with radios in the pattern at the same time.
I use radio to tell others where I am and watch out the window to know where those not listening to me are. Fun times.
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Originally Posted by N941WR
I haven’t even mentioned the infamous, “Sometime traffic, Cessna 123 Alpha Brovo, please advise.” Every time hear that I want to reply, “Their food is good, I advise you try the meatloaf.”
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Originally Posted by Greg Arehart
Bill,
And I always want to say "advise that you learn some clearer radio procedures" to the pilot who hasn't bothered to listen for what's going on locally and just barges into the area.
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Excellent suggestions. I have been looking for good come backs for the " please advise" radio call (which is specifically called out in the AIM 4-1-9.g.1 as not a recognized position or intention phrase) Now I just need something to repond for all the "radio check" calls.
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Originally Posted by erich weaver
While I dont use it, I have a hard time getting worked up about the "any traffic in the area/pattern, please advise" call. There are plenty of folks that simply dont chime in when they really should, and if this helps prod them into a call, then safety has increased.
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Announcing your intention ought to prod them to make a radio call.
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02-28-2011, 06:53 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,256
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rv699jb
The latest edition of Airman's Information Manual states:
"Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF. This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publi...4/aim0401.html
under 4-1-9g1.
Jim Baker
RV-6
CFI
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Amazing - a full page of posts before someone finally pointed out that the AIM actually covers what we are ALL supposed to be doing. Not every pilot reads VAF (sorry Doug...  ), so it doesn't make any difference at all what we agree to here - everyone who shares the sky is supposed to be using the same procedures, and they are covered in - and should be taught from - the AIM. I am a bit horrified at some of the things folks do, and then say others should do - that aren't SOP.
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02-28-2011, 06:53 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Portland, ND
Posts: 424
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While we are complaining, the big flight school near me often states their position as a missed approach point, a hold, or some other IFR position that does little good to many of the locals. Not real helpful if you are not IFR, or have a plate in front of you on a CAVU day.
But the worst thing to come out of the big pilot factory is the huge percentage of chinese students, who are almost impossible to understand
Keep your head on a swivel!!!
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02-28-2011, 06:57 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,420
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"Experimental" or "RV" ??
So, I have been announcing as "Experimental" 210 LM------but a local ex FAA guy suggested I use "RV" instead.
His reasoning was most pilots know what an RV is, but "Experimental" could be anything from a powered parachute to a turbine Lanceair--------and with a rather wide spread of pattern speeds ETC.
How do you folks do it??
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Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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02-28-2011, 06:57 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boston area
Posts: 128
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"faster RV..." ???
I don't get it. Could go 120 kias on downwind in a spam can, but most of us pork shoulder pilots slow it down usually under 90 in the pattern. Are you saying an RV can't manage such a boring speed safely?
Please explain.
Perhaps there is another forum where they complain about RV pilots who come into the pattern way too fast, though I'm sure none of us would ever do that...
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02-28-2011, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike S
So, I have been announcing as "Experimental" 210 LM------but a local ex FAA guy suggested I use "RV" instead.
His reasoning was most pilots know what an RV is, but "Experimental" could be anything from a powered parachute to a turbine Lanceair--------and with a rather wide spread of pattern speeds ETC.
How do you folks do it??
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"Exerimental RV..." is what I use.
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