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Old 02-10-2011, 01:46 PM
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Danny 7, where did you learn all that tech stuff? I personally wouldn't mix water with my gas for any reason. For what it's worth I use Texaco 91-93 octane premium motor fuel and have tested it for ethanol using EAA's test kit finding none. So maybe premium gas doesn't get ethanol, or maybe it's just Texaco, or maybe it's just the supplier to the station I buy it at, but there is none in it.
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PS I'd still like to know if anyone has thoroughly tested 100ll in a Rotax 912uls.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:45 PM
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I have to relate a news story I saw; relating that high corn prices would cause people to go hungry. It appears that a $3 box of cornflakes has 5 cents worth of corn in it....so the new $7 a bushel corn will cause a crazy spike to 6 cents. Hmmmm.
But I do appreciate all I've learned about ethanol from the techy guys on this thread.....perhaps I'm a little wiser, as well as skeptical.
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:31 PM
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most of the details i've learned from Dean Billings? i think this is his web page:

http://e0pc.com/newreality.php
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Old 02-10-2011, 05:59 PM
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Danny 7, where did you learn all that tech stuff? I personally wouldn't mix water with my gas for any reason. For what it's worth I use Texaco 91-93 octane premium motor fuel and have tested it for ethanol using EAA's test kit finding none. So maybe premium gas doesn't get ethanol, or maybe it's just Texaco, or maybe it's just the supplier to the station I buy it at, but there is none in it.
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PS I'd still like to know if anyone has thoroughly tested 100ll in a Rotax 912uls.
It's likely just your particular gas stations that haven't yet gone to 10%. In most areas of the country all grades are 10%.

One thing that's not clear yet is whether E10 wil still be available alongside E15 once E15 appears. You'd expect that it wouldn't since the govt is trying to force ethanol usage upwards, but the language of the proposal that I saw seemed to suggest that E10 would still have to be an available option.

As for long-term use of 100LL, all I've heard is anecdotal evidence 2nd and 3rd hand about flight schools using it continuously. The stories I've heard are that tops become needed at about the 1000 hour mark because of the lead eventually microwelding pits in the valve seats.

But that's just 3rd hand information, I've not gotten anything first hand about it yet. Best to avoid being a guinea pig, IMO - just run the E10 from the gas station if that's your only autogas alternative .

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Old 02-10-2011, 06:17 PM
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Nice sound bite "using your taxes to pay farmers to do nothing..." but not true. CRP land is planted to vegetation that preserves topsoil and tries to hold water, and provide feed or cover for wildlife. you can't have a BARE field that was in corn last year be CRP this year. contracts are either 10 or 15 years, but people are variously stairstepped in the program so every year some farm land entered into crp or removed.
So it is a good thing to have the US tax payer pay for this? Planting grass? Harvesting nothing but a fat checks for billionairs and millionairs? This is more than a sound bite, it is a govenment program gone crazy.

The correct position should be if you receive more than 50% of your taxable income to actual farming you should recieve nothing. Ted Turner does not need more money. He gave away 1 billion to charity!
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Old 02-10-2011, 07:43 PM
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I farm in North East NE. Larry lives in star city NE. Several of my neighbors just last year put their farms in CRP. This is totally wrong. There is no way you should be able to justify paying a farmer that is to lazy to farm his land. His land should have been rented to a neighbor or another farmer. Their land was corn or beans the year before and last year was 4 foot tall weeds. Why should a worker in a city or anywhere else be forced through taxes to give money to these people so they can sit on their fat a$$. If we need more corn let us plant it. No free money.
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:24 PM
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So it is a good thing to have the US tax payer pay for this? Planting grass? Harvesting nothing but a fat checks for billionairs and millionairs? This is more than a sound bite, it is a govenment program gone crazy.

The correct position should be if you receive less than 50% of your taxable income to actual farming you should recieve nothing. Ted Turner does not need more money. He gave away 1 billion to charity!
i suspect the actual money the government has tied up in the CRP program is a very very small amount of the actual budget. If you don't like it i suggest writing your congresscritters. the actual payment is very low, the reason someone (like ted turner) gets a big paycheck is because he would have thousands and thousands of acres enrolled. I do not like judging a program based off of what one billionaire has done with the program, i suspect if you look at any tax exemption or government program you'll find a rich person using it to his advantage.

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I farm in North East NE. Larry lives in star city NE. Several of my neighbors just last year put their farms in CRP. This is totally wrong. There is no way you should be able to justify paying a farmer that is to lazy to farm his land. His land should have been rented to a neighbor or another farmer. Their land was corn or beans the year before and last year was 4 foot tall weeds. Why should a worker in a city or anywhere else be forced through taxes to give money to these people so they can sit on their fat a$$. If we need more corn let us plant it. No free money.
totally wrong? farmers can't do what they want with their land? ha ha. maybe if the neighbors would have guaranteed a better income for 10+ years your neighbor would have been running to their door to get the contract signed...
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:05 PM
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i suspect the actual money the government has tied up in the CRP program is a very very small amount of the actual budget. If you don't like it i suggest writing your congresscritters. the actual payment is very low, the reason someone (like ted turner) gets a big paycheck is because he would have thousands and thousands of acres enrolled. I do not like judging a program based off of what one billionaire has done with the program, i suspect if you look at any tax exemption or government program you'll find a rich person using it to his advantage.
Okay, this is getting a little too political for VAF, but I would politely ask you to think about what you just said. We as American tax payers, have to start looking at the little things in the budget. $12 million there, $50 million here pretty soon we are talking real money!

I live in Nebraska, the corn belt of the country. This is my "ox that is being gored", this is my "back yard", these are my neighbors that are "cheating the system" and I say as an American tax payer spending money on wasteful programs like paying farmers to grow nothing but grass when there is a shortage of corn (and gasoline) is the same pure economic madness that has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

Danny, I understand your point, but I think if you really look at what I am saying: "Enough is enough" then ending wasteful outdated government handout programs that cost tax payers BILLIONS of dollars every year is a good place to start. Corn is $7 a bushel and we are paying framers not to grow it?! Really? Seriously? We are heading into bankruptcy and still spending like "drunken sailors". (No offense to sailers, I was one also.)

The only thing CPR does is keep farm land in the hands of old rich guys when young farmers are trying to get into the farming business. Investors like Ted Turner (I have nothing against the man what so ever, it is his money, I just don't like giving him my money) buy up the land knowing the government will pay them to do nothing with it. That is wrong and counter productive to allowing young farmers to get into the business of owning a family farm / ranch.

CRP, (welfare to farmers just like welfare to people in big cities) is past its prime and needs to be killed to help the family farm survive. If you can't make a living by the land you own you need to sell it and move into town, and stop sponging off the government.

I own farmland, but I put my money where my mouth is. (Trust me, I have inherited nothing, not a dime.) I canceled all CRP contracts on land I bought 20 years ago. I told the FSA to shove their welfare checks where the sun don't shine. I don't need handouts, or welfare, I work for a living. I put my land back into production growing alfalfa & hay, and row crops. I work the land (or rent it out), and I get paid for the work I do. I don't sit back and collect farmer's welfare, never have, never will. When I can't make enough on the land either in production or rent I will sell it. That used to be the way it worked, but in today's world politicians promise welfare payments (CRP, and other farm subsidies) to rural voters to keep getting elected, and to keep 90 year old farmers from really retiring.

Okay, before this thread gets shut down I promise no more thread drift.

Lets get back to the issue.

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Old 02-10-2011, 09:06 PM
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This thread is rapidly drifting from the aviation aspects of ethanol into political diatribes. No additional warnings will be given, just closure of the thread if this continues.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:54 AM
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Thanks, Sam. All I wanted to know was if we were going to have problems using 15% ethanol premium gas in our 912's, and I THINK the main answer was no. I believe the main concern was the interaction between plastic fuel lines and the ethanol, and I don't think our fuel lines are plastic, as I remember. Thanks
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