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01-24-2011, 08:38 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Reno, NV
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.....until you have to fork over the price of a good, used RV for a gearbox overhaul
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Couldn't agree more Pierre! A PT-6 is a great engine to fly behind...when someone else is footing the bill...for operational costs...and espcially for maintenance costs! Can you say "time limited parts" or "cycle limited parts"? One hot section later, and you've paid for an RV...just like you said!!
Michael makes a good point about engine management, but a little study, that good transition training, and reading some about it here and other good forums (including Deakins articles) will help much. I figure if one can manage all those moving parts in a helo, this will fall into place well!
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01-24-2011, 09:42 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Mojave
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Right Bob... Didn't mean to imply pistons are "difficult", but it's just an area that the military does not train for.
As an aside, I suspect that the difficulties encountered with the Air Force and their T-3 Firefly may have been related in some way to the proper care and feeding of a high performance piston engine. I was working at Edwards when they scrapped all those airframes and parts. Broke my heart to see the destruction of all those new in the crate AEIO-540's and MT props!
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01-24-2011, 11:14 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hicks Airfield, Fort Worth,Texas
Posts: 1,728
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P35 Bonanza
Simaler to a T34....
I owned a 1963 P35 Bonanza for 800+flight hours prior to building my RV6. I do not recomend this but I taught my self to fly my RV6 by taxing up and down the runway. After a few times with the tail up I figured it was not hard and no big deal. It wasen't. I went for it, a first flight on the airframe. Now I fly a RV8 and still like both the RV7 and RV8. Wish I had a 7 for Carol , she is a pilot too.
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01-24-2011, 02:44 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 15
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Well, all these responses inspire me to start looking into TW training as soon as I get back to San Diego. I've been thinking I needed to add an endorsement, maybe this will be the one. 2 Questions:
1. Anyone know any good TW instructors around SD?
2. If I have any options, are there any TW platforms that stand out as good to learn on, or are similar to the handling qualities of an RV-6/7/8?
Thanks again for the encouragement.
Case
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01-24-2011, 03:13 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
Posts: 1,798
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Go to Van's site and find one of the transition IP's. Rather than spend the money on both a tailwheel endorsement and tranistion training later, you can knock them all out at the same time. Of course with that SD BAH maybe money isn't an issue!
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01-24-2011, 03:52 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 15
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Of course with that SD BAH maybe money isn't an issue!
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Riiiight. I bought a house in SD in April of 2006. The amount I'm upside down on my mortgage would probably buy me a decent RV-10!! I'll find a transition IP, as suggested. I'd rather start learning to fly what I'm going to build/buy anyway. Worst case scenario, I'll learn whether or not I really like the RV series, and get my TW sign off.
Case
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01-25-2011, 10:42 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Reno, NV
Posts: 2,125
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Originally Posted by Toobuilder
Right Bob... Didn't mean to imply pistons are "difficult", but it's just an area that the military does not train for.
As an aside, I suspect that the difficulties encountered with the Air Force and their T-3 Firefly may have been related in some way to the proper care and feeding of a high performance piston engine. I was working at Edwards when they scrapped all those airframes and parts. Broke my heart to see the destruction of all those new in the crate AEIO-540's and MT props!
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Michael, didn't take that as a jab at all. I concur with you, most military guys aren't trained in black-blue-red, unless they do it on their own. I think it was a good comment. These helo guys though...with their ability to manage a gazillion moving parts all moving in opposite directions, with both hands and both feet moving all the time...he should do AOK!  Still haven't figured out why they say its so much fun, yet they don't like to tell people they do it!  I've gotten lots of rides, including one from out of the water...so I like the H bubbas!!
And you say they threw away a bunch of 540s!
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Originally Posted by Sig600
Go to Van's site and find one of the transition IP's. Rather than spend the money on both a tailwheel endorsement and tranistion training later, you can knock them all out at the same time. Of course with that SD BAH maybe money isn't an issue!
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Originally Posted by 60Bubba
Riiiight. I bought a house in SD in April of 2006. The amount I'm upside down on my mortgage would probably buy me a decent RV-10!! I'll find a transition IP, as suggested. I'd rather start learning to fly what I'm going to build/buy anyway. Worst case scenario, I'll learn whether or not I really like the RV series, and get my TW sign off.
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Good call on combining the two. Two birds, one stone, and lotsa fun! If you get up to Fallon on an airwing-X, give a holler and come over to Reno for a ride! Then you can give Sig grief about the BAH comment in person!  Has BAH ever paid for real SD rent or mortgage? My 20 years there sez no! Wish I'd figured out as a bachelor that it could have gone to an airplane though!
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Bob
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01-25-2011, 03:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 60Bubba
Riiiight. I bought a house in SD in April of 2006. The amount I'm upside down on my mortgage would probably buy me a decent RV-10!! I'll find a transition IP, as suggested. I'd rather start learning to fly what I'm going to build/buy anyway. Worst case scenario, I'll learn whether or not I really like the RV series, and get my TW sign off.
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You should qualify for the HAP based on your date of purchase. Assuming you're looking to sell.
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01-25-2011, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 15
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@ SIG600: Yes, it looks like we do meet the basic criteria. I'm going to be doing my Department Head tour in San Diego, starting next week, actually. We're good for another two years or so. I figure by then they will have probably canceled the program or run out of money to fund it 
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01-25-2011, 04:50 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: KRTS
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Originally Posted by 60Bubba
@ SIG600: Yes, it looks like we do meet the basic criteria. I'm going to be doing my Department Head tour in San Diego, starting next week, actually. We're good for another two years or so. I figure by then they will have probably canceled the program or run out of money to fund it 
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By then the State of CA will have long since collapsed and it'll be a moot point. Dirty hinge...
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